KK: Hero has no clue
 

Commerce, 9-handed, 400 NL, 5/10 Blinds

Relevant stacks/reads:

Hero: $1,300
Villain: $1,800, has been playing slightly loose and pretty reasonable postflop. Has not been caught bluffing and I don't suspect he has bluffed in any large pots.

Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

UTG folds, Hero makes it 40, 6 of 7 call. If you don't believe me, ask Private Joker.

Flop (7 players, $280): 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Hero bets $300, Some folds, Villain (MP) calls $300, Some more folds.

Turn (HU, $880): 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Hero...?

Villain likely has:

a) a five
b) a medium pocket pair and thinks I have AK
c) a flush/straight draw with two overs (on the flop)
d) absolute nonsense

If he were last to act on the flop, I wouldn't be so sure that he has a five. The fact that he smooth-called the flop with players left to act behind him makes a five more likely. Would he really smooth call here with a draw or PP when there are other players left to act? If anyone behind him has a five, that player will now almost certainly push (much of the table had deep stacks, so a push wouldn't be small potatoes), and now Villain has to fold his PP or pay a filthy price for his draw.

So, what do I do?

And is my flop bet okay?

Re: KK: Hero has no clue
 

I'm not a live player, but online this looks like a good spot to push

besides another K, this turn card is the best possible card for you.

edit: Oh yeah, and the flop bet is ok. Maybe some people would like $250 or something, but a bet is mandatory. Actually I like your exact number of 300 because it means a turn push is not a huge overbet.

Re: KK: Hero has no clue
 

How many people called between you and villian?

The fewer people, the less likely he has a 5.

Also, raise more PF. Probably way more.

Re: KK: Hero has no clue
 

$5/$10NL with a $400 buy in? YUCK!

Re: KK: Hero has no clue
 

Tough spot, it comes down to if he has the 5 or not. Check the turn, if he bets, try to get a read off of him. If you lead the turn, I think you have to be ready to put your stack in, you can't build a pot this big and fold.

I play in a similiar live loose 5-10 game, very deep stacks. You can make a 5-10x the BB raise and sometimes get 4-5 callers, with a big PP in EP this created to some difficult flop and even more difficult turn decisions. I tend to limp in EP with big PP and will usually limp-re-raise preflop to thin out the field.

Hope it turned out well for you.

Re: KK: Hero has no clue
 

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I tend to limp in EP with big PP and will usually limp-re-raise preflop to thin out the field.

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I devoted an entire thread to this exact topic. The general consensus was that I was giving up too much by attempting to limp-reraise in a passive-to-typical game. I'm still not sure where I stand.

Re: KK: Hero has no clue
 

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How many people called between you and villian?

The fewer people, the less likely he has a 5.

Also, raise more PF. Probably way more.

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Three people between me and Villain. Two people behind him.

I suppose I could have raised more. Sometimes I do. On this particular hand there were enough deep stacks at the table that a larger raise probably would have been better. But I don't think I'd ever raise more than 6x the BB when first in.

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$5/$10NL with a $400 buy in? YUCK!

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I really don't understand why people keep bashing this form of game. When you first buy-in, you're pretty much required to play disgustingly tight until you double up. Then you can loosen up depending on the other stack sizes (and player quality but the players are usually so bad that this doesn't factor into whether you should loosen up). The high blind structure is ignored by many players who play too loose, call too many raises, quickly become very shortstacked, push in with crappy hands, and rebuy. It's a great way to keep money flowing into the game.

Re: KK: Hero has no clue
 

I don't like any of the possibilities for villain if you check. With your stack size I think you push here.

Once again we see the difficulty of playing these hands OOP.

Raise more preflop.

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I really don't understand why people keep bashing this form of game.

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When you first buy-in, you're pretty much required to play disgustingly tight until you double up.

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