50/100 hand. Comment please
 

Semigood 10-handed 50/100 online. No read on player A in CO-2, Hero is CO-1, player B in CO is very passive.

----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Hero [Ah As]
donk1: folds
donk2: folds
donk3: folds
Player A: raises $100
Hero: raises $150
Player B: calls $150
donk4: folds
donk5: folds
donk6: folds
Player A: calls $50

----- FLOP ----- [4s 7d 9d]

Player A: checks
Hero: bets $50
Player B: calls $50
Player A: raises $100
Hero: raises $100
Player B: calls $100
Player A: calls $50

----- TURN ----- [4s 7d 9d][Js]

Player A: checks
Hero: bets $100
Player B: calls $100
Player A: raises $200
Hero: calls $100
Player B: calls $100

----- RIVER ----- [4s 7d 9d Js][Qd]

Player A: bets $100
Hero: folds

Comments?

Re: 50/100 hand. Comment please
 

You don't think you have 17:1 odds to call?

Re: 50/100 hand. Comment please
 

I pay this off...you do have TWO ACES !!!!

Re: 50/100 hand. Comment please
 

If you're calling the turn, I don't see why you're folding the river in this huge pot. What has changed between the two streets? If you're going to fold anywhere, it's the turn...the guy has checkraised you twice so he has a set most likely. But I think he has a big pair or getting out of line with AK enough to make it profitable to call. Did you fold the end b/c you now lose to pocket jacks and queens and only beat kings? I still call...outside chance he has the other aces also.

Jeff

Re: 50/100 hand. Comment please
 

Well one thing has changed.. the diamond flush got there, even if it's unlikely he has that particular hand.

I'd pay it off .. the pot is large.

Re: 50/100 hand. Comment please
 

Whoops...missed that, but I doubt he checkraises the flop and turn with the draw unless he has something like A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. But I do stand by the idea that if you are calling the turn, you should call the river. If this is the kind of opponent that will never pull a double checkraise with just an overpair or AK, you must be beat. Absent this info however, I'm paying it off everytime.

Jeff

Re: 50/100 hand. Comment please
 

Don't forget there's still another player to act behind who has been taking a ton of heat also.

I would say hero is probably beat in at least one spot, but it's hard to recommend folding a good hand in a big pot to an unknown opponent for one bet on the river.

Re: 50/100 hand. Comment please
 

How far off am I here? I guess you figure he can't have KK because he didn't cap pre-flop or the flop. Isn't playing KK pre-flop like that sometimes good for all those times an A won't drop and you'll auto-lead?

Wouldn't you sometimes play AK the same way to fold out the CO and hope to check through the river?

Re: 50/100 hand. Comment please
 

It must be the fact you have no read you opt to call down after the turn cr, but since thats viceversa and i think you can safely assume the chance of having run into a total idiot on the 50/100 isn't that big, you're just drawing to a 1-outer. On the flop you scream "overpair", On the turn he screams "im exploiting that fact" and you can basically sum up you're drawing a 1-outer. I say call, because you don't know the guy, but still 90% of the players youll run into you got a pretty clear fold on the turn. If you call the turn, you gotta call the river

Howwweverr, i don't play anywhere near that limit so this kind of reasoning could make me just the fish the players have for breakfast [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

ps. I rule out QQ and KK because of preflop developments. Jacks...meh...maybe

Re: 50/100 hand. Comment please
 

Folding the turn would be ok, folding the river is at best, horrible. Your odds are WAAAYY to good to fold after the river, it's the wrong time to lay the hand down.