Aggression level on Aces
 

Is the porridge too hot, too cold, or just right?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (15.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (18.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 20.75 BB

Re: Aggression level on Aces
 

I'd cap the turn and call if he bet the river but bet if checked to. It feels like he is overplaying KK/QQ.

This is assuming people play normally at 0.02/0.04

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I'd at least cap the turn. Then it depends on how this level plays whether I'd raise the river as well.

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&lt;grunch&gt; I don't see him capping preflop with 88 or less to hit trips on that flop I prolly cap turn and call a bet into me on the river.

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Cap the turn; you beat him soundly. You can probably raise the river.

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I'd cap the turn and call if he bet the river but bet if checked to. It feels like he is overplaying KK/QQ.

This is assuming people play normally at 0.02/0.04

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I'd put as much money in as possible. I figure I win this at least 70% of the time.

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This is assuming people play normally at 0.02/0.04

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I've been playing a fair bit of .02/.04 lately doing some 15BB challenges while doing other stuff; in fact I ran into our Hero here once yesterday. I've noticed that you get folks that are far more aggro at this level than other Stars games, even up to .50/1, because people just don't care. Raising is fun, hand or no!

He could have AA here, or he could have KK. Maybe TT. I think KJo is as likely as any of these. Just gotta jam for value.

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in fact I ran into our Hero here once yesterday

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I knew I recognized that picture, minus the glasses... I wasn't sure if it was you or if that's just one of those pictures you see around.

If I recall, the tables were particularly wild and generous that evening.

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Survey says: too cold.

I'm not going to argue with that. I've got to admit, from the PF cap and onward into the turn I was sure that I had this guy on KK or QQ and I was going to take down a massive pot at his expense.

What slows me down is this: yes, I've seen some wild tables there, but the vast majority of the Stars guys I have stats for are either loose-passive, loose-aggressive/passive, or tight-passive in that order. Many of these guys will hammer the pot pre-flop, but then back off to a raise or 3-bet post-flop unless they've got the nuts, especially on the turn. I don't have a good read on this guy, but he's just not slowing down for anything, and it's atypical. I'm imagining that the typical passive guy with KK is thinking, OMG he 3-bet PF, what if he has aces, and he backs off.

So I chicken out, and I call down. He shows 77 for trips, and I gag. Now I'm thinking, "am I spewing?" But I don't see any reason why I should have backed off of this any sooner, and there's a good case for taking it further.

Now this does highlight something I've been seeing pretty frequently with some of the more aggressive players on Stars. They have a habit of 3-betting or limp-reraising with any pocket pair. I think their rationale is that someone ahead of them is raising with AK, AQ, etc., and if they can get the pot heads-up, then they have a race and can steal from weaker players. Stars seems to be heavy on the tournaments, and I think maybe this is some misapplied no-limit tourney stuff leaking into the ring games.

I don't know if this is something that I have to factor into my evaluation. It doesn't happen a lot overall, but some of the most aggressive players do tend to do it frequently.

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Was this guy an unknown? The problem I see with pushing your hand too hard is while you may be playing seriously, some people may be joining a 0.02/0.04 table to just raise and re-raise liberally. I've done it before to blow off steam and mess around and talk [censored].

It seems like a fine line where an unknown could be spewing with nothing, or his preflop range is so wide that he may have outflopped you, or he could be playing straightforward and you have KK killed. I think I'd have to have more hands on a player before I started to make slim-value plays against them because of the unknown factor.

Am I making sense or is this nothing to worry about?

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What I'm getting is that the general consensus is that I did not appear to be overplaying the aces, and was in fact underplaying them somewhat, regardless of the outcome.

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Am I making sense or is this nothing to worry about?

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What I'm getting is that the general consensus is that I did not appear to be overplaying the aces, and was in fact underplaying them somewhat, regardless of the outcome.

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IMHO, this is hugely dependant on having experience of how people play at this level and at least a tiny read on the villain.

As I remember from playing this level 5/6 months ago on my quest for a bankroll, I concluded that it is too akin to Play Money (Weighing the Odds, King Yao, P287) and decided to take my bankroll to 0.05/0.1, where the game bares a much stronger relationship to poker.

I suggest that you do the same - you are thinking about hands / posting here, so you will confortably be able to beat this level and I find it hard to believe that you are underolled as any Stars deposit would give you enough for a roll at this level considering that it's not raked.

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Cap every street at this level.

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I hope you made a note that this joker capped PF with 77.

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I don't know about this level but I have run into a few players lately at 1/2 who will jam a pot preflop with any pocket pair. I guess they hope for a big payday if the pot is multiway and they hit. I have noticed though that they do not typically go nuts postflop unless they do hit. Certainly a continuation bet and maybe a 3bet. Without a read, I would have agreed with others that it was an overplayed overpair and you should have been more aggressive. You gained some valuable info on this guy and lost less than most of us so, well done.

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I wouldn't be surprised if the guy had no idea what he had.

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cold call two on the flop; go nuts on a blank turn.

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Actually looks just about right to me.

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Thanks for the advice. I'll usually sit at either a .02/.04 or .05/.10, whichever seems like a softer table. I haven't seen much difference between the two really, but I'm currently doing better at .5/.10 after about 2000 hands (meaningless, I know). Neither one is raked at Stars, so they seem like a good way to tune up my "loose" game and build a bankroll on the cheap for the .10/.20 and .25/.50 games. So far it's going very well. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]