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tigerite 12-15-2005 03:33 PM

Custer Hand #2 - folding JJ to raise + curtains AI with 8BB
 
PartyPoker - NL Texas Hold'em $200 Buy-in + $15 Entry Fee Tournament | Level: 4 - 9 players (Converter: PGC)


Chip Counts:
Button: 780 Chips
SB: 845 Chips
<font color="red">Hero: 850 Chips</font>
UTG: 955 Chips
UTG+1: 1610 Chips
MP1: 1605 Chips
MP2: 1085 Chips
curtains: 745 Chips
CO: 1525 Chips

Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Blinds are 50/100

PreFlop
<font color="blue">UTG folds</font>, <font color="blue">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="red">MP1 RAISES ($275)</font>, <font color="blue">MP2 folds</font>, curtains is All-In, <font color="blue">CO folds</font>, <font color="blue">Button folds</font>
<font color="blue">SB folds</font>, <font color="blue">Hero folds</font>, <font color="blue">MP1 folds</font>

Final Pot:1170 Chips


Standard-ish I suppose.. but I wonder what curtains' range is there? Especially as the raiser was Oban23 who had a few hands previous come over the top of Custer's raise (when Custer held 99), and Custer had folded for ~800 into a ~1600 pot.

J-Lo 12-15-2005 03:41 PM

Re: Custer Hand #2 - folding JJ to raise + curtains AI with 8BB
 
You have alot over overlay, MUCH of the time. I'd call because of the overlay.

tigerite 12-15-2005 03:43 PM

Re: Custer Hand #2 - folding JJ to raise + curtains AI with 8BB
 
Curtains = MP3 in this hand. I'd be interested to hear his comments on it.

wuwei 12-15-2005 03:56 PM

Re: Custer Hand #2 - folding JJ to raise + curtains AI with 8BB
 
I would guess that Curtains' range includes TT-AA, AK. It might include AQ and 99 depending on the initial raiser.
Pokerstove v. the tight range says:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 43.2287 % [ 00.42 00.01 ] { JsJc }
Hand 2: 56.7713 % [ 00.55 00.01 ] { AA-TT, AKs, AKo }

If we can widen his range to include 99 and AQ, it's a clear call. As J-lo noted, we're getting an overlay of 1170:745, which means we should probably call anyways. Although, I can still see a possible fold there based on uncertainty about my read of Curtains and the fact that the initial raiser is still in the hand.

curtains 12-15-2005 06:42 PM

Re: Custer Hand #2 - folding JJ to raise + curtains AI with 8BB
 
I had AQo....that guy raises a lot and folds to reraises when seemingly close to pot commited. I would fold the JJ in custers spot however as the original raiser does need to be reckoned with.

Custer 12-16-2005 06:28 AM

Re: Custer Hand #2 - folding JJ to raise + curtains AI with 8BB
 
I thought it was very close, and thought about it for a while. Oban did not have to have much, Curtains knew that, and I knew that Curtains knew that. But Oban could have had me beat or had AK, and was only calling if he did (if I called). I didn't have a ton of chips, either. I wish you would have posted the hand where I folded 99 getting 3-1. That was certainly a mistake if your chip counts are right.

moses

tigerite 12-16-2005 06:31 AM

Re: Custer Hand #2 - folding JJ to raise + curtains AI with 8BB
 
I still have it, don't worry:

PartyPoker - NL Texas Hold'em $200 Buy-in + $15 Entry Fee Tournament | Level: 4 - 9 players (Converter: PGC)


Chip Counts:
Button: 1085 Chips
SB: 645 Chips
BB: 1675 Chips
UTG: 930 Chips
UTG+1: 795 Chips
<font color="red">Hero: 1175 Chips</font>
MP2: 955 Chips
MP3: 1610 Chips
CO: 1130 Chips

Hero is MP1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Blinds are 50/100

PreFlop
<font color="blue">UTG folds</font>, <font color="blue">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero RAISES ($325)</font>, <font color="blue">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="blue">MP3 folds</font>, CO is All-In, <font color="blue">Button folds</font>
<font color="blue">SB folds</font>, <font color="blue">BB folds</font>, <font color="blue">Hero folds</font>

Final Pot:1605 Chips

tigerite 12-16-2005 06:32 AM

Re: Custer Hand #2 - folding JJ to raise + curtains AI with 8BB
 
Pot when it gets back to you = 1605
To call = 1130 - 325 = 805

And to boot, CO = Oban

Custer 12-16-2005 06:39 AM

Re: Custer Hand #2 - folding JJ to raise + curtains AI with 8BB
 
I should have certainly called. What was I thinking?

moses

tigerite 12-16-2005 06:42 AM

Re: Custer Hand #2 - folding JJ to raise + curtains AI with 8BB
 
I'm not quite sure, but by ICM you need about a 40-41% win rate I think, so I can't see how you can fold unless you peg him for exactly AK+,JJ+ there.


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