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StellarWind 12-15-2005 04:15 PM

Something different - KK
 
5/10 6-max (6-handed)

Villain is a 45/13. Postflop he is normal/passive, playing a reasonable number of hands but not betting or raising enough.

Hero is Cutoff with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

Preflop: MP raises, Hero 3-bets, only MP calls.

Flop (7 SB): A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks.

Turn (3.5 BB) 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets, Hero calls.

River (5.5 BB) 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets, Hero calls.

jaxUp 12-15-2005 04:18 PM

Re: Something different - KK
 
Hmm, usually I do not do this, but it seems like a classice WA/WB

Wynton 12-15-2005 04:23 PM

Re: Something different - KK
 
Doesn't your read mean that the villain is (1) likely to call down with a worse hand, and (2) unlikely to c/r with a better hand? If so, why not just bet each street?

Alternatively, how about raising (and folding to 3-bet) the river? This type of passive opponent seems capable of making a crying call with a worse hand.

kpux 12-15-2005 04:23 PM

Re: Something different - KK
 
Why no flop bet? Aren't you ahead here a lot of the time, especially with the flush draw?

jaxUp 12-15-2005 04:25 PM

Re: Something different - KK
 
Also, the Kh is key. And above I meant that it is a WA/WB situation. You didn't take the typical line, but frankly I like it.

12-15-2005 04:28 PM

Re: Something different - KK
 
This is in the loss minimization camp. Why do we want to be there? I like the flop check behind, but I would raise this turn. I would also bet it, if checked to.

Peter Harris 12-15-2005 04:31 PM

Re: Something different - KK
 
i would bet the flop. If you're gonna take the wa/wb line i guess it's fine, but i would think you're giving up a lot here against a passive opponent. I'd likely bet the flop and turn if checked to. If i wanted to wuss out, i'd check the river behind.

but i dont play 5/10.

MrWookie47 12-15-2005 04:34 PM

Re: Something different - KK
 
[ QUOTE ]
Hmm, usually I do not do this, but it seems like a classice WA/WB

[/ QUOTE ]

Not quite. Hero has a boatload of outs if he's behind. It's more like WA/B, but he's pretty likely to be behind. I'd rather bet the flop and take a free turn card.

gehrig 12-15-2005 04:41 PM

Re: Something different - KK
 
hero's hand is awesome on the flop. you guys are weak

Board: Ah 4h 2h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 72.8850 % [ 00.72 00.00 ] { KhKd }
Hand 2: 27.1150 % [ 00.27 00.00 ] { JJ-66, AKs-A7s, KQs-K9s, QJs-QTs, JTs, AKo-A9o, KQo-KTo, QJo }
Board: Ah 4h 2h
Dead:

Board: Ah 4h 2h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 69.8976 % [ 00.66 00.04 ] { AsQs }
Hand 2: 30.1024 % [ 00.26 00.04 ] { JJ-66, AKs-A7s, KQs-K9s, QJs-QTs, JTs, AKo-A9o, KQo-KTo, QJo }

do lots of betting. lots of worse stuff will pay to see the river

jaxUp 12-15-2005 04:43 PM

Re: Something different - KK
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Hmm, usually I do not do this, but it seems like a classice WA/WB

[/ QUOTE ]

Not quite. Hero has a boatload of outs if he's behind. It's more like WA/B, but he's pretty likely to be behind. I'd rather bet the flop and take a free turn card.

[/ QUOTE ]

Wow, I had to read the post 3x before I realized there was a monotone flop. I could have sworn that was the 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Yeah I think I bet the frop here. Lots of calls from hearts and lost of outs if he turns out to have an A.


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