Re: red 88...play along with me
 

I would normally limp.

I would raise if the field were weak and passive since I may get a "free" 4th card to spike my set and that "cost" would be close to zero due to the preflop odds. If I hit I have more money in the pot of course.

If the field were more normal then I would limp. I hate variance. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

The disclaimer is that I have never played live so I do not know how important it is to mix it up.

I suspect this is yet another of those millions of situations in poker where whatever you do you will be close to neutral EV. So it matters not a jot! So.... Do ya feel lucky punk? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

T

Re: red 88...play along with me
 

i like raising here for two reasons especially

1. you tie big cards to the pot more often when you flop your set, and often, they are drawing virtually dead

2. if the flop has overcards or is otherwise unfavorable, you can get a free card for a chance to spike the set

Re: red 88...play along with me
 

I raise due to the culmination of three factors:
1. I'm getting good odds on my draw to a set.
2. My opponents may check to me on the Flop, giving me a free card if I don't flop a set.
3. I may get a blind or two to fold.

Re: red 88...play along with me
 

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I raise due to the culmination of three factors:
1. I'm getting good odds on my draw to a set.
2. My opponents may check to me on the Flop, giving me a free card if I don't flop a set.
3. I may get a blind or two to fold.

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I was with you until #3. In the cb 15 game the blinds are folding approximately 0% of the time.

Re: red 88...play along with me
 

Most of the time i'd limp. I don't want to put myself on anybodys radar, and I want to see if anybody behind me as a 2 bet hand. There are already so many people in this pot you can really only play this hand for set value anyway, and i'd like to be able to get in some good old fashioned ramming if I hit.

In addition to that, if you limp and you flop an overpair, or maybe there's just one over card, you're less likely to get checked too and it'll be easier to determine whether or not your pair is still good.

Keep in mind, this is what I'd do. You, however, are DERG, and you will never flop a set here for you this is a clear fold.

smiles,

lf

Re: red 88...play along with me
 

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I raise due to the culmination of three factors:
1. I'm getting good odds on my draw to a set.
2. My opponents may check to me on the Flop, giving me a free card if I don't flop a set.
3. I may get a blind or two to fold.

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I was with you until #3. In the cb 15 game the blinds are folding approximately 0% of the time.

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why would you want the blinds to fold? most of the value 88 has in one of these loose live games is for a set. i'd rather have the blinds in there and make it less correct for everyone to draw on the flop when you do in fact flop a set.

Re: red 88...play along with me
 

I'd just call here and take a look at the flop. A raise will shrink the field and with this many guys I don't see us winning u/i very often at all.

Re: red 88...play along with me
 

I usually limp but now that I look at the posts. Raising is not a bad idea. There are like 5 limpers and you're like a 7.5-1 dog. If you hit your set the players will be encouraged to keep playing and take a look at the next card since the pot is huge.
And the possibility of a free turn card makes it +ev.

Re: red 88...play along with me
 

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I usually limp but now that I look at the posts. Raising is not a bad idea.

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Agreed.

Re: red 88...play along with me
 

I would raise 33 most of the time. Anyone disagree?