who calls this to try for trips
 

25 NL party
UTG is so tight his azzcheeks get raw when he has to walk anywhere

anyhow:
I am BB with 99
he is UTG with AA
he brings it in for $6 announcing to the world what he has

both stacks are around $60, I call
get the 9 on the flop to get paid.

Anyhow, he says I was wrong calling that when I knew I was a dog. I said I called because I knew what he had and $6 was only ~10% of my stack and its an easy fold once the flop came.

Anyhow, who calls pf? anyone?

Re: who calls this to try for trips
 

Assuming you know he has AA (so you will never stack off when you get set over seted) and assuming that he will push his whole stack without help then this is a correct call.

60:6 or 10:1 on your money, 7/8:1 to hit.

Run it 15 times, 13 times you miss and fold the flop, losing 13x6= $78.
2 times you hit winning 60x2= $120

Thats the basic idea, now factor in the odds that he won't stack off when you hit (say the flop comes 8d 9d Td) to reduce your EV a bit and you still have an EV+ play. No exact but it illustrates the point.

Re: who calls this to try for trips
 

I probably fold here, but just because of position. To make this a good play, you MUST double up, so if he is so tight that he never lays down an overpair when you have a set, like most players at these stakes, ok.

Re: who calls this to try for trips
 

This call is correct IF you know you will get his stack if you hit a set. However, if he's as tight as you say he is, wouldn't it be possible for him to lay down aces?

I prefer situations like one that occured last night:

$25 NL on Stars. I have K5 in the BB. EP min raises preflop, 3 callers, I call. Flop comes Kxx. He bets $.50, everyone folds, and I raise to $1.50 to see where I'm at. He reraises the minimum, and I'm almost certain I'm up against a horribly played AA. Pot odds alone allow me to call. 5 on the turn, and I get his stack.

Re: who calls this to try for trips
 

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Anyhow, he says I was wrong calling that when I knew I was a dog. I said I called because I knew what he had and $6 was only ~10% of my stack and its an easy fold once the flop came.

Anyhow, who calls pf? anyone?

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You played it the right way.

Also, I would not try to justified to this player why you played this way. You are making him think. You are making the idea of implied float around him [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] you MUST not do this !

Re: who calls this to try for trips
 

yeah, normally i say nothing but he was pretty cool just exasperated with my trips. don't know why i spoke up, its not like anyone (me included) at the table is actually any good

Re: who calls this to try for trips
 

I think it was likely a bad call, because of the fact that sometimes he will hit the A when you hit the 9, and in those instances, I doubt you can let go of your 999.

Also, there is a very small chance of him folding his AA due to his tightness.

In addition, it is altogether possible that your read is off, and he does not have AA.

Combining all that, I think this play is a little -EV. That said, I often will call something like this if I am down for a session and I believe that the joy I get from winning will eliminate more chance of tilting than the frustration I get from missing the flop (or him not paying me off).

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Re: who calls this to try for trips
 

wow, i would think that last thing you want to do is call a $5 raise pf when you are down. More things can go wrong or maybe you'll be more likely to chase (it's only $4 bet to see the next card etc ...)

Re: who calls this to try for trips
 

I usually call with any pair if the raise is less than 5% of my stack. 10% is a bit high, unless you're sure you can stack him if you hit.