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10/20 blind steals

All three villains have TAG stats.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: I am Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
6 folds, I raise, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, I call.

Flop: (7 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, I call.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, I raise

One orbit later.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (9 max, 8 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: I am Button with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
5 folds, I raise, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, I call.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, I call.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, I raise

One hand later.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (9 max, 7 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: I am CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, I raise, 2 folds, BB 3-bets, I call.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, I raise, BB 3-bets, I cap

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You're too loose preflop. We've seen it time and time again.

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i was just convinced that one of these was with me until i realized you're probably not a 25.9/10.68. you should PM me your SN since i'm sure i've played with you a lot this week ( including right now )

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You're too loose preflop. We've seen it time and time again.

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which ones do you disagree with and why? these all seem rather standard to me.

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hand 1: I like as we will often get the villain to fold ace high hands and the times he has a pair we have a decent enough chance to suck out to a better hand.

hand 2: I'm torn on this one, but I think this turn raise is probably better than just calling down and I want to show this down barring a bad river card.

hand 3: Are you taking a free card on the turn? I like this hand the least as we probably don't have very much FE here and need to improve to win.

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i was just convinced that one of these was with me until i realized you're probably not a 25.9/10.68. you should PM me your SN since i'm sure i've played with you a lot this week ( including right now )

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The VPIP is too high and the PFR is too low.

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what do we think of capping preflop in hand 1?

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I don't like 1. I'd rather do this with a hand that's basically like hand 2, where I've got a little more going for me if we see a river.

Hand 3 feels like a bit much. I might do it depending on situational stuff and how the table feels, but as a default heads up in drawing situations I'd rather take it easy.

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If you are checking back a blank turn on hand 3, I like it. If you are going to keep firing, I don't like it because I don't think you are getting enough folds to make up for the times you get called or check-raised on the turn and need to improve to win.

I think hand 2 is good. On this board as this played out, I think you have plenty of folding equity and I think you very rarely get three-bet by a worse hand, so you have an easy fold if reraised.

I don't like hand 1:
First, your fold equity is much lower than in hand 2. This is a draw heavy board (with both a twoflush and a 9T combination), so it is harder to sell the raise as being legit. Further, there just aren't that many likely holding for your opponent with which you can expect he won't find a call. Any pocket pair sixes or higher has a set, a gutshot+pair or an overpair. Overcards like AK/AQ may fold, but a lot of people will not. Pretty much any other reasonable hand has connected with this board in some way (top pair, straight draw, etc.) and isn't leaving.

To make things worse, I think you are often getting reraised in this spot. You have enough outs that you are stuck calling, but if reraised you are certainly behind and so I am not excited about paying $60 to see a river card when I could have paid $20.

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Thank you for your particularly insightful post on hand one. That makes a lot of sense.

I did intend to check behind a blank turn on hand three.

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I agree with bobbyi on hand 1. Not a lot of hands you'll fold and it'll probably take another bullet to fold AK and AQ and they may not on a blank.

Hand 2 is OK but I'm not sure it's any better than calling down. Check the river.

I don't like hand 3 much at all- what kind of range do you put this guy on after his flop 3-bet? I think you have very little fold equity and he's blocking any free card attempts too often for this to pay.

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these must have been succesful since you continued to play them aggresively. if any of them failed contiuning to do it is bad.

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Hand 2 is OK but I'm not sure it's any better than calling down.

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Note that if the opponent is still firing here with a hand like AJ here, he has nine outs to beat us. Getting him to fold that getting better than 7:1 is quite a coup (not to even mention the possiblity that he folds the best hand holding something like 99). If the board weren't paired over us, AJ would only have 6 outs to beat us, so getting him to fold wouldn't be that big a deal. Not only does the paired board make us want him to fold more, but it also means that it is more likely that he will fold because of the danger of drawing dead. That's a great combination.

Of course, he also has to worry that he only has three outs against a king that sandbagged the flop. That king is a scary card for many of his holding as there are many KX hands with which we would open on the button but not cap pf. It's also a rainbow board which is great for us because it means he can't convince himself to call by thinking we could be make a move with a flush draw (and, to a lesser extent, because he himself can't have one). (Similarly, there are no straight possiblities on this board).

For these reasons, I think raising is better than calling down. There are times when this move is good and times when it's not, but for my money it's really hard to find a better board that K882r.

(Side note: I really love the topic of board texture. If I ever write a book on poker, I would organize everything based on the texture of the board rather than on what sort of hand you have.)

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what do we think of capping preflop in hand 1?

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We likes but we tries not to mentions

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(Side note: I really love the topic of board texture. If I ever write a book on poker, I would organize everything based on the texture of the board rather than on what sort of hand you have.)

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I agree board texture is a very interesting topic and should really be more definitive of how people play their entire range of hands than most people give credit for.

As for the turn 33 raise, I'm thinking you may be right- change the 2 on the flop to a 4 and I def like a raise. But a lot of those times he has AJ, you'll get an extra bet after he check-calls a blank river to balance out the extra card he gets to see.

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Hand 1: I think this is only a good idea if you plan to follow through on the river. Overcard (ace-high) 3-betting hands will call the turn raise.

Hand 2: I like it and I would pray the 2 on the board pairs, but I'm greedy.

Hand 3: I think you should have changed gears here. You've already established that you "von't be puush'd ar-rount". Call the flop and try to hit your outs to give you some more folding equity when you need it. Blind steals aren't just about raising imo. It's about pace.

- Jim