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Player "A", at the turn, bets 5 stacks of red into a $1600 pot. Player "B" asks the dealer how much. The dealer replies with $500. Player "B" goes into the tank for a while and calls. As the river is dealt another player speaks up and says the stacks don't look right. The 5 stacks the dealer said was $500 was actually $625, the stacks were 25 high. Chaos ensues as player "A" say's he never said an amount when he pushed the chips in and it was the dealers responsibility to COUNT the stacks before stating an amount. Does the $500 "stated" bet stand or should player "B" have to put the other $125 in the pot? My ruling to follow after discussion.

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I think it's an angle shot. When the dealer didn't count/verify the chips and the bettor didn't correct the dealer's guess, the bet stands at $500.

BTW, this is purely a stab in the dark. I don't know where the hell you'd find the answer and I've never seen it happen.

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There's no poker rulebook that can run through every situation you come across. You can learn the basics but the rest is common sence.

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I would say the bet is $500. A player is responsible to protect his action. If dealer says its 500, and bettor doesnt say a word, then the bet is 500. If he wanted to bet 625, then he should have said something.

BTW - How is this possible? Is the dealer half blind? Difference between 20 and 25 chips is HUGE. And dealer should always open one stack, unless he is 100% sure its 20.

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Bingo. The player is responsible for protecting his action. Period. The time the other player went into the tank was ample time for him to notice.

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The player is also obliged to keep his chips in 20 chip stacks. The FAQ told me so. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I was using what common sense I have when I made the call I did. It seemed, to me, fair and in keeping with the rules I do know.

If you were a lawyerly type and had access to all the casino's Procedures Books, you could probably put together a series of arguments. I agree with the OP about the dealer's laxity in not noticing the heighth of the stack.

Good post.

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I dunno. I think the bet stands at $625. The chips speak. The player could have any number of reasons for not correcting the dealer. He wasn't paying attention, didn't want to give off a tell, he's deaf (well, obviously not in this case). It's the dealer's mistake. Player put his chips out like he should.

Of course, this doesn't help the caller out any. I think he's still got to call. The chips are there for all to see, and if it's obvious that the dealer didn't count it down, but just counted the stacks, the caller should have had him count it down, if just to make sure the stacks are 20, not 21 or 19.

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The player could have any number of reasons for not correcting the dealer.

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Yes, maybe he was preparing some nice angle shoot, and didnt want to correct the dealer.

Think about a situation where a player says " I bet five hundred" and starts to count his chips for the bet, dealer loudly confirms it "one hundred to call" and moves on to next player. Shouldnt the bettor correct the dealer? "I said FIVE hundred". Of course he should. If he doesnt say a word, its his fault.

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Why can't players just speed up the game by verbally declaring their actions?

I have played in so many games (limit) where players just toss in chips and then get upset/yells when the dealer/players do not notice the raise. Come on people.