How far do you go with weak overpair?
 

Villian is a 25/9 with AF of 3 after 49 hands. I'm playing semi tight, probably a 24/12, I c-bet heads up 99% of the time heads up, and 3 way about 60% of the time. The villian and I have yet to be in a hand together.

NL 400 partypoker 6 max

fold, villian limps, hero raises to $25 with black T's, folded to villian who calls.

flop comes 863 with club draw. villian checks I bet $40 into $55 pot, villian check raises to $90, hero? it's $50 more to call. stack sizes $400.

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I think you ought to call.

You aren't going to see a cheap showdown unless your opponent is semibluffing (which makes me lean towards call). If you don't see a cheap showdown TT is probably not going to be good.

However, I think villain might be doing this with any small pocket pair, guessing that you missed your overcards. Given that you have position here I think I actually call and hope for an A or K.

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I'm curious how other people will respond to this one.so I'm bumping it.

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You know these spots are so tough, I still don't have a good line, especially against tighter players. I probably call and make a decision on the turn depending on bet size, which card fell and the likes. I don't see myself calling another street, it's probably push or fold if he leads the turn. Always ugly though.

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call

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horrible spot because the times when u arent already behind villians at 2/4 will probably semi bluff again with clubs. small chance he gives up if on clubs tho, and small chance hes shutting down with 1 pair after u call, probably combined make the 20% or so u need to call.

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I haven't played 400 6max for a while, but I'd drop this on the flop like it's hot. But that's PRIMARILY because 1) I don't want to see a turn OR river and 2) you showed much strenth so far and it looks like he WANTS you to call him.

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Thing is, I pfr a fair amount, and almost ALWAYS c-bet heads up, so for me, this line hasn't showed much "real" strength.

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I don't mind a push here, especially because a lot of the bad players will still call anyway with the flush draw.

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you showed much strenth so far and it looks like he WANTS you to call him.

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such strength? no.

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I don't mind a push here, especially because a lot of the bad players will still call anyway with the flush draw.

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gambooling on this flop against a flush draw is not nearly as +EV as you seem to suspect, against the range of villains likely flush draws here we are not very good, they are either pair + flush draw, straight + flush draw or overcard + flush draw. not to mention the times he calls with a better hand. he will rarely call with a worse hand. pc.

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why in god's name did you raise to 25 preflop. this hand is so much easier to play if you exercise preflop/flop pot control.

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shut up

seriously man, if people will call 25 to 30 pfr why not make it that much? the hand plays the same if I make it 20 as if I make it 25, shut up idiot

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Villian is a 25/9 with AF of 3 after 49 hands. I'm playing semi tight, probably a 24/12, I c-bet heads up 99% of the time heads up, and 3 way about 60% of the time. The villian and I have yet to be in a hand together.

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Nice info...

I would call. Villain has to act first and seems fairly solid. You c-bet a lot, but calling his raise should give some indication of a hand.

If he leads out strong on the turn I am letting it go.

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call

What do you plan on doing on the turn and river?? I'm folding this one every time. Am I wrong here?

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What do you plan on doing on the turn and river?? I'm folding this one every time. Am I wrong here?

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If you are folding TT with position on this board to an aggressive villain, then you would be wrong to raise it preflop.

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If you are folding TT with position on this board to an aggressive villain, then you would be wrong to raise it preflop.

The check-raise is what would worry me? You only beat a bluff, A8, and 99. What are you doing on the turn and river?

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After talking to some poker buddies, I think I call this ck raise, when I do that it does clarify, HEY, I have a hand. If he leads turn big I'm going to give it up and make a note to watch his play in the future.

I think he has a set, flush draw, or small pp. I think he'll slow down on turn with small pp and may or may not slow down with flush draw. I think I should call the $50 because the pot is big enough. And then play poker on turn.

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3-bet?

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3-bet?

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Sucks.

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With position I call and watch the turn. Considering your image I think there's a fair amount of time villian is making a move here/thinks you missed.

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The check-raise is what would worry me? You only beat a bluff, A8, and 99.

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Agreed, I am not saying call every time against every opponent. But an aggressive player with a lot of holdings (over cards, flush draw, an 8, or 99), who knows I continuation bet 99%, will check raise in this spot.

Also, I am not calling just for this hand, if I am folding an overpair to a check raise after a continuation bet, then I am folding just about anything in that situation, which is going to open me up to a lot of steals in the future.

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What are you doing on the turn and river?

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If he leads out strong on the turn I am letting it go.

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I would make it 20 preflop. On the flop I fold or call and reevaluate (and trying very hard to spike a ten) on the turn, but i leaning towards folding.