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ludo72 08-05-2005 08:55 AM

KK hand from 6-max, how did I do?
 
Villain is 32.4/2.94/0.88 after only 34 hands. Hasn't done anything unusual since I sat down.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($34.70)
Hero ($35)
BB ($75.45)
UTG ($34.80)
MP ($11.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $0.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, Button calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, Button calls $3.

Turn: ($10.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $10</font>, Hero calls $5.

River: ($30.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $19.7 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $50.20

I don't feel good about the way the hand played out but I can't figure out how should I have played it instead. Any suggestions?

ludo72 08-05-2005 09:24 AM

Re: KK hand from 6-max, how did I do?
 
When I think more about the hand I think I probably should have bet the pot on flop, either fold the turn or call the turn and call the river, is this correct? Which turn line is generally better here?

boondockst 08-05-2005 09:27 AM

Re: KK hand from 6-max, how did I do?
 
I'd bet more than the $5 on the turn but I doubt that made the villain play the hand any differently....

boondockst 08-05-2005 09:28 AM

Re: KK hand from 6-max, how did I do?
 
You also might be ahead and have 8 outs against two pair (two kings and 6 cards to counterfeit his hand)

jtr 08-05-2005 10:12 AM

Re: KK hand from 6-max, how did I do?
 
[ QUOTE ]
When I think more about the hand I think I probably should have bet the pot on flop...

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I don't know about that. It's a great board for a pair of kings. I think you want some action here, and I don't mind your $3 bet at all.

On the turn, I'd bet more than half-pot though, as obviously the board just got a lot scarier. If I bet out for $7.50, and he min-raised that or a bit more, good question. I think I could find a fold if the guy was really straightforward, but if he's an unknown I'd call the min-raise and call up to half-pot on any river that doesn't put a four-straight or four-flush on board.

As the hand played out I have no problem with your river fold.

ludo72 08-05-2005 11:16 AM

Re: KK hand from 6-max, how did I do?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I don't know about that. It's a great board for a pair of kings. I think you want some action here, and I don't mind your $3 bet at all.

[/ QUOTE ]

When I played the hand I thought this way too, but betting only little on the flop made my turn decision much harder. After he called my pre-flop raise I don't think he would fold a Queen on that flop.

Thanks for all the replies this far [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

08-05-2005 11:57 AM

Re: KK hand from 6-max, how did I do?
 
Personally, I like your preflop bet. On the Flop I probably would have bet him half of his stack and tried to take it down right there. I try to think worst case, he has pocket Qs, I check the turn, if he checks he, he's drawing. Then the river gives the flush away, he bets, I fold. But then again I suck at this game [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

08-05-2005 03:02 PM

Re: KK hand from 6-max, how did I do?
 
What I don't understand is that why did you just call the turn bet?
If you're beat, then you should just fold your hand. If CO has two pair, you have 8 outs, and you're getting 5: 25 and you need 17%. If you have a set, you've lost. If he has pocket pair or any Queen, you're a favorite. I think you should either push or fold. Given that you're OOP, a check on the river will just indicate weakness.

srm80 08-05-2005 05:03 PM

Re: KK hand from 6-max, how did I do?
 
what about a turn push? just looking for opinions on the move

flopking 08-05-2005 05:31 PM

Re: KK hand from 6-max, how did I do?
 
I like a c/r on the flop. My read is this guy had QJ... which would be enough to open-miniraise on the button and call with position.


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