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Saborion 12-13-2005 06:42 AM

Do we take the free card?
 
Opponent is 55/7/0.9 and 36/53 after 80 hands.

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6.00 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.00 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks

Do we take the free card, or do we try to get him to fold whatever he holds? I don't see people fold a pair HU often, but it happens on occasions. Here we're likely to have a ton of outs in case he calls. Two problems with betting. He goes to showdown often, and he may check-raise us.

Also, do you raise QJo UTG in the average 5/10 game?

12-13-2005 07:07 AM

Re: Do we take the free card?
 
I'd bet here and would also go to showdown with QJo against a 55 vpip guy every time.

I don't play 5/10 but at the lower levels I would never raise QJo UTG

Peter Harris 12-13-2005 07:25 AM

Re: Do we take the free card?
 
it's only 5 handed according to the HH. So he's opening in MP.

that's still a tad loosish, but not heinous.

I'd also bet the turn here. Semibluff the scare card+2nd nuts fd. check behind UI river, but i bet a Q or J.

imported_leader 12-13-2005 07:30 AM

Re: Do we take the free card?
 
I think check though is good. I raise QJo in MP most of the time. I don't raise it UTG 6-handed though.

POKhER 12-13-2005 07:37 AM

Re: Do we take the free card?
 
bet, i dont think he's going for the checkraise here as no aggression was shown on previous street so he's risking it big time if he is.

I think he's probably scared of the flush, take advantage of this.

I only raise QJo in the CO, so preflop i dont like.

spydog 12-13-2005 07:49 AM

Re: Do we take the free card?
 
Check. His flop donk/turn check means he has 9x/6x/5x and wants to pay 2 bets to see showdown instead of 3.

12-13-2005 07:54 AM

Re: Do we take the free card?
 
I check this. I have no problem raising QJo UTG. :/

wowacedude 12-13-2005 08:28 AM

Re: Do we take the free card?
 
I would check here, i don't see him folding anything better here almost ever. I can't remember one single time when a loosy has donkbet and then check-folded the turn.
Spydog already said all this anyway.

Saborion 12-13-2005 10:38 AM

Turn action
 
So I decided to bet. It didn't feel completely right since him betting the flop then checking the turn seems to be him wanting to go to showdown as cheap as possible. Slight chance of him trying something on the flop and now gave up, but not worth it.

Anyway, action went, check, bet, check-raise, call. Now the river brings the 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],
for a board of 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. He checks. Now what? I can't really see any reason to bet here. Are there any?

krishanleong 12-13-2005 11:01 AM

Re: Do we take the free card?
 
I changed my mind. I could go either way.

Krishan


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