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garion888 10-13-2005 01:34 AM

River stuff...
 
OK so my Fold to River bet is off the charts. So I'm trying to find places to call. I figured a good place to start would be with AK. Here's my River folds with AK from the last 5000 Hands.

Also feel free to flame any of my other play.

Thanks,
J

Hand 1
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Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $1.
UTG (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB

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Hand 2

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (5.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Button calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

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Hand 3 - This one really stung.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (13 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, SB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls, SB calls, UTG calls.

River: (16.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG folds, CO calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 18.50 BB

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Hand 4
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls, SB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5 BB

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Hand 5
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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (5 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

River: (5 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero folds, SB calls.

Final Pot: 7 BB

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Hand 6
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (3.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 4.25 BB

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Hand 7
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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Button folds.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls, CO calls.

River: (8.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, CO calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

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Hand 8
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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, SB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

River: (6 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7 BB

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aba20 10-13-2005 01:41 AM

Re: River stuff...
 
gotta call in hand 3 a fold is really bad here for one more bet. Hand 6 is an easy call after the turn check, there are alot of hands that you beat. Rest look ok.

blackize 10-13-2005 01:54 AM

Re: River stuff...
 
Instacall on hand 3. With 18BB in the pot and your call seals the action you have to call here.

therockofgibraltar 10-13-2005 04:29 AM

Re: River stuff...
 
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Hand 4
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Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls, SB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5 BB

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I have a question about these kind of situations in general (not specially about this hand although it can apply here also). If you know your opponent is agg. enough to bet draws and pairs to pf-raiser, should you raise IF you suspect he is on a draw?

If he is on a draw, you obviously have the best hand and your raise will also knock other players out.

10-13-2005 04:46 AM

Re: River stuff...
 
hand 1 - fine

hand 2 - also fine

hand 3 - i'm probably raising the turn there, a jack would normally check/raise. i don't mind overcalling the river either though.

hand 4 - yeah

hand 5 - fine, if it was HU i'd probably bet the turn

hand 6 - not good, either bet the turn/fold to a raise or call that river

hand 7 - also fine, overcalling the river sucks.

hand 8 - i dunno, i might look up that river gaybet. that's a draw heavy board and people love to take shots on scare cards. folding is probably fine though.

all in all, i don't think they're that bad. only one i really take issue with is hand 6.

Victor 10-13-2005 04:50 AM

Re: River stuff...
 
you fold an ace. wow.

garion888 10-13-2005 04:56 AM

Re: River stuff...
 
Where should I be looking to squash this problem then? I'm looking for situations to call and I thought this might be a place to start. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
J

Victor 10-13-2005 05:03 AM

Re: River stuff...
 
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Where should I be looking to squash this problem then? I'm looking for situations to call and I thought this might be a place to start. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
J

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[censored] numbers. [censored] stats. do not try to play each hand so that your statistics are a certain number.

look at each individual situation and decide what the best course of action is. use the information provided (by opponents past action) and correlate it to solid poker and logical fundamentals and make a desision. [censored] the results.

but use them to add to the information provided.

easy game right?

baronzeus 10-13-2005 05:05 AM

Re: River stuff...
 
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Where should I be looking to squash this problem then? I'm looking for situations to call and I thought this might be a place to start. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
J

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[censored] numbers. [censored] stats. do not try to play each hand so that your statistics are a certain number.

look at each individual situation and decide what the best course of action is. use the information provided (by opponents past action) and correlate it to solid poker and logical fundamentals and make a desision. [censored] the results.

but use them to add to the information provided.

easy game right?

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victor, in his enraged (???) state, makes a good post. this is a point that ive been trying to make for weeks now.

Victor 10-13-2005 05:08 AM

Re: River stuff...
 
first time i ever used this icon: [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

i will still crush you. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]


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