77 bottom set out of the SB
 

I apologize for the forma, but the actino is slightly coplicated and when I tried to edit I felt I lost something, so i figurd i'd post it this way, anyone with a good suggestion for simplifying I would love to hear...

Villain is solid, possibly weak-tight, but im more interested in what a standard line would be, and I'm wondering if it would simply be to push....
Seat 1: Anrik (£4149.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Flatliner (£2177 in chips)
Seat 3: stoxtradr (£2711 in chips)
Seat 4: cplease (£2184.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Anyhow (£400 in chips)
Seat 6: SAMMYGARE (£2068.55 in chips)
stoxtradr: posts small blind £10
cplease: posts big blind £20
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to stoxtradr [7c 7h]
Anyhow: calls £20
SAMMYGARE: folds
Anrik: calls £20
Flatliner: raises to £87
stoxtradr: calls £77
cplease: folds
Anyhow: calls £67
Anrik: calls £67
----- FLOP ----- [Th 7d Jc]
stoxtradr: bets £200
Anyhow: folds
Anrik: raises to £540
Flatliner: folds
stoxtradr:

your action?

Re: 77 bottom set out of the SB
 

How fast have you been playing? If you haven't been 3-betting flops much, pushing isn't so great, and you'll probably only be called by JT+. If you have been speeding around a push is great. Actually, since you're out of position, a push is probably better than flat calling and trying to put it in on the turn even if you've been playing pretty slow. If you were in position calling is ok.

Re: 77 bottom set out of the SB
 

id say push, but the opponent is anrik and he's a tight [censored], unless something has changed.

if his raise was pot sized, a push would be a much easier decision. his raise is either 89 not wanting you out, or like AJ feeling you out.

he's tight but has a love affair with TPTK that gets him into trouble. tough spot stox.

Re: 77 bottom set out of the SB
 

I think im learning that observation is much more important here. unfortunately, I was hoping for something more scaleable, as I cant say how I had been playing. It sounds silly to write I know, but I had 3 NL games going and a number of limit games - II've been adding NL games when there are not enough limit games, so I'm looking for something I can multi-table.

I need to work on a better system for approaching these decisions.

Re: 77 bottom set out of the SB
 

i find that I minraise entirely too much in the NL games while playing both.

Re: 77 bottom set out of the SB
 

makes sense. but identifying the problem should be the hardest step. Since you have...correcting it should be "relatively" easy.

I still think I can do both without suffering because I am playing both, though that may be hubris. Suffering because my NL game is weak or I have too many tables open is a different animal entirely.

Re: 77 bottom set out of the SB
 

I like flat calling here and betting the turn. the value of a push on the flop comes from him putting you on a oesd some of the time, if he has some of your possible cards (KK/QQ/etc) he is probably less likely to call. this is maybe not that important a consideration, but something I would think about anyways.

more importantly, bet reraising is a pretty strong line and opponent sounds capable of folding an overpair to it depending on how the game is playing and what he thinks of you.

--turnipmonster

Re: 77 bottom set out of the SB
 

thanks turnip, I did just call, but still feel shaky about it. Here is the rest of the hand:

----- FLOP ----- [Th 7d Jc]
stoxtradr: bets £200
Anyhow: folds
Anrik: raises to £540
Flatliner: folds
stoxtradr: calls £340
----- TURN ----- [Th 7d Jc][Kd]
stoxtradr: checks
Anrik: checks
----- RIVER ----- [Th 7d Jc Kd][Ad]
stoxtradr: bets £500 (pot size around 1100 at this point)
Anrik:

results in a bit.

Re: 77 bottom set out of the SB
 

fwiw the reason I like calling and then betting the turn is he will check a large % of the time trying to keep the pot small with most of his holdings.

edit: I honestly don't know what to think of the river bet. maybe that's a good thing [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Re: 77 bottom set out of the SB
 

U are generous, I expected the river bet to get flamed.

anyways, it "worked". he folded. a better hand? doubtful. but possible on that board.