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Playing yesterday afternoon. 3/5 game. I have $1200, Villain has about $1000. He is a pretty crazy persian guy - but seems to play well after the flop. Great game.

2 Limpers to me in CO and I make it $30 w Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Cray guy makes it $60 on the button and says "i just want to get rid of everyone else". I call the $30. His range for rerasing is wide - probably down to AJ and 88/99.

Flop is A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (Pot$140)

I check, he bets $40? I call.

Turn T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($220)

I check, he bets $140

I call.

River Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($500)

I check, he pushes.

Re: Live QQ Hand
 

would say "pushing flush hoping you have a J or make a call with less than straight", but all of the spades are locked up.

AoJs is what i shall say before anyone else gets a chance to.

Re: Live QQ Hand
 

Yeah I agree that his most likely holding is AoJs.

However, there are a lot of morons playing live and you don't really give any info on this "crazy" guy to lead me to believe he isn't a total donkey.

I could see him easily having either AA or KK with his preflop comment.

IMO it is difficult to comment on some of these live hands because you have such a better read on the situation.

This is a very simple fold in my opinion though.

The ONLY hand you beat IMO is a terribly played AK.

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call, he has Th8h

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who likes a Check raise allin on the turn?

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who likes a Check raise allin on the turn?


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Yeah - this is what I was getting at. Either a c/r all in on turn or open push river is way better than what i did. I think.

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I think I might've either folded the flop or raised the turn....as played, I'd fold - someone recently told me that there are easier ways to make money in this game than by "making big calls" (not that I necessarily agree [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ).....

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Folding the river seems pretty obvious.

I don't have much of a problem with your play on the turn; that $40 bet on the flop could be him being cutesy with a set.

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I called and won. Live poker is rigged. And, whatever, it was live and things never make sense. I played it bad.

But I really like a push on the river I think. Just wanted to know if others do too.

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why did you call? what did he have?

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I called because i thought it unlikely he had a fush or a jack in his hand, and that the chances that he had AK - or even 99/TT were greater than the chances he had AAA or KKK. And the guy was kind of a psycho and had made overbet bluffs before and didn't seem the type to be "setting me up" earlier. I don't know. He had AKhh and flipped it up like it was the nuts - so he was worse than i thought.

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River push as a bluff? Value bet? What would you put him on to push the river? I can't really see a worse hand paying you off but at the same time he probably isn't folding a jack. It doesn't look like he has the flush with the big spades out, so I think check-call is fine, and I'd expect you to have the best hand here most of the time anyway.

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Push river to get him to lay down AAA or KKK.

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Well like I said in my post, the majority of live players are a damn joke. It is truly incredible.

I figured the only way you could have possibly won this hand was if he had AK and played like the worst poker player in the world.

It is truly hilarious.

nh nevertheless, but only you could have made that call live, cause that is an obvious fold IMO.

unbelieveable

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yeah dude - i didn't want credit for the call. these guys are brutal. just wanted to know what people thought about turn raise or river push.

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hey nice read is all i can really say, nh

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And the guy was kind of a psycho and had made overbet bluffs before

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Well, if you'd mentioned that, then I woulda said check/call river instead of fold.

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And the guy was kind of a psycho and had made overbet bluffs before

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Well, if you'd mentioned that, then I woulda said check/call river instead of fold.

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Yeah, please give us all the info up front.

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The key here for me is the range in which the villain is value betting. Does it include top 2? top set? Much easier to justify this type of call if you can rule out non straight hands he would never value.

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Yeah, please give us all the info up front.

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WTF? Who are you?

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I hate check raising turn becuase he may call with any pair and draw combo like AJ (crazy persians always do) and will almost surely call with AK AA KK. I like leading the river allin too because he might call with 2 pair whereas he could check two pair behind on this board. But I think I call river.

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Holy [censored]. You like value pushing river? Am I the only one who thinks pushing the river is definitely a bluff and not a value bet?

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No.

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Yes, pushing that river is DEF a bluff. The way that hand played out the only hand you might be value betting is AK.

You push that river as a standard play and you will soon be playing 0.25/0.50 NL.