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Percussion 12-22-2005 02:10 PM

QQ 55$ PF all in decision
 
Who pushes? who folds? (Im multitabling and I havent seen villian play yet)
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) converter

MP2 (t1495)
CO (t910)
Button (t1275)
SB (t2590)
BB (t1020)
UTG (t1150)
UTG+1 (t3090)
Hero (t1970)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t100, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t1495</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t2590</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, Hero ?

pineapple888 12-22-2005 02:26 PM

Re: QQ 55$ PF all in decision
 
I muck.

12-22-2005 02:42 PM

Re: QQ 55$ PF all in decision
 
The action suggets fold, but I wonder if you run into one person with AJ and another with 10 10 (or even AK) often enough to make it worth it. I think I call.

12-22-2005 02:42 PM

Re: QQ 55$ PF all in decision
 
Fold. You are in no way committed - and you are presented an easy chance to get out and find a different spot.

illini43 12-22-2005 03:00 PM

Re: QQ 55$ PF all in decision
 
I do not play at the 55's (I'm at the 11's), so if this is a completely wrong opinion, I apologize in advance.

With no reads and MP2 pushing, I would put his range to TT-AA, AKs-AQs, AK, and maybe AQ (maybe this range is bigger, I'm just starting to learn how to establish ranges.)

In my experience, again at the lower buy-ins, the re-raise from the SB could be an isolation bet with a hand like a 99, TT, JJ, AKs to try and get to pot heads up. The SB could aslo have a monster in AA or KK, but I would think they would simply call instead of pushing.

After punching these numbers into Poker Stove:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 44.1933 % 42.69% 01.51% { QcQs }
Hand 2: 33.8645 % 31.31% 02.56% { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 3: 21.9423 % 19.59% 02.35% { QQ-99, AKs, AKo }

If my math is correct (which it probably isn't), you would need to be getting 1.273:1 odds to call here figuring with the ranges selected you will win 44% of the time.

You have to call 1670 to win 3465, so you are getting 2.07:1 odds. If all of this math is correct and the ranges are accurate, I think this would justify a call.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong...

pineapple888 12-22-2005 03:04 PM

Re: QQ 55$ PF all in decision
 
[ QUOTE ]
I do not play at the 55's (I'm at the 11's), so if this is a completely wrong opinion, I apologize in advance.

With no reads and MP2 pushing, I would put his range to TT-AA, AKs-AQs, AK, and maybe AQ (maybe this range is bigger, I'm just starting to learn how to establish ranges.)

In my experience, again at the lower buy-ins, the re-raise from the SB could be an isolation bet with a hand like a 99, TT, JJ, AKs to try and get to pot heads up. The SB could aslo have a monster in AA or KK, but I would think they would simply call instead of pushing.

After punching these numbers into Poker Stove:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 44.1933 % 42.69% 01.51% { QcQs }
Hand 2: 33.8645 % 31.31% 02.56% { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 3: 21.9423 % 19.59% 02.35% { QQ-99, AKs, AKo }

If my math is correct (which it probably isn't), you would need to be getting 1.273:1 odds to call here figuring with the ranges selected you will win 44% of the time.

You have to call 1670 to win 3465, so you are getting 2.07:1 odds. If all of this math is correct and the ranges are accurate, I think this would justify a call.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong...

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I think your ranges are way too loose at the 55s because MP2 is pushing over a raise, and then SB is pushing over that. Even if one of them is a donk, I'd have to put the other one on either [AA-KK] or [AA-KK, AK]. Not good for Hero.

illini43 12-22-2005 03:11 PM

Re: QQ 55$ PF all in decision
 
On a sidenote from the original question...

Did I interprete the hand range equities in the correct way and then also apply them correctly to pot odds? This was the first time I have ever done such a calculation...

pineapple888 12-22-2005 03:22 PM

Re: QQ 55$ PF all in decision
 
[ QUOTE ]
On a sidenote from the original question...

Did I interprete the hand range equities in the correct way and then also apply them correctly to pot odds? This was the first time I have ever done such a calculation...

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I think the amount you would win is 3665 (add in UTG limper and BB). Otherwise it looks fine, although I didn't verify all the math.


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