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TheHip41 11-01-2005 02:10 PM

AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch
 
10-20 Motor City casino full table

Im the HJ with

A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

PFR is aggressive preflop for this game, probably around 10, but post flop is very easy to see what he has.

2 limps, MP raises, 1 call, Hip calls, Button calls, 1 blind calls, limpers call

Flop (7 players) 15SB

J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

checked to me, I check, Button bets, 3 callers, I call getting like 19-1.


Turn (5 players) 10BB

T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

3 checks, I check, button bets, 2 folds, PFR calls, Hip calls.


Anyone fold this anywhere? The river was nice and easy to play.

11-01-2005 02:16 PM

Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch
 
You rivered the nut straight? Can't find a fold postflop. Enjoy the money. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

AaronS 11-01-2005 02:16 PM

Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch
 
Nope, looks pretty straight forward to me. I dont think you can fold the flop getting 19:1 and closing the action. The turn is even easier, closing the action getting 12:1 with 4 outs to the nut straight, and maybe a couple outs for an Ace or Queen.

ghostwriter 11-01-2005 02:19 PM

Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch
 
Why no 3 bet preflop?

aargh57 11-01-2005 02:20 PM

Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch
 
I don't see any folds. On the turn you're getting 12 to one which is enough to call with just the gutshot. Just wondering though, how would a pf reraise be here? Any value to that? I'm just thinking you've got a very good hand in position and will probably get the button.

TomBrooks 11-01-2005 02:27 PM

Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch
 
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On the turn you're getting 12 to one which is enough to call with just the gutshot.

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It's a double gutshot. Easy call.

Ace Queen add some Top Pair Good Kicker or Top Pair Top Kicker chances also, although you'd have to be careful if a Queen came because anyone with a nine or AK would then have a straight.

toss 11-01-2005 02:36 PM

Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch
 
I'd rather 3-bet PF than cold call. I'd also bet when its checked to me on the flop.

TheHip41 11-01-2005 02:36 PM

Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch
 
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Why no 3 bet preflop?

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Because, I was afraid of the PFR might have me stroked. He's not a raise QTo kinda guy, but he could easily have TT=88 here, so I wasn't folding.

Also, a 3 bet here would get it 2-4 handed, and I was looking to make a huge pot iwth my big suited cards.

Sometimes I do 3 bet here, I just decided not to this time, because of how the game was and taht kinda stuff.

TomBrooks 11-01-2005 02:47 PM

Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch
 
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Why no 3 bet preflop?

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If there were no limps before the raise, I'd be more inclined to three bet and try to get it heads up. With a couple of limps in there already, it seems like it might be good to encourage rather than discourage more. Does that make sense?

11-01-2005 02:57 PM

Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch
 
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If there were no limps before the raise, I'd be more inclined to three bet and try to get it heads up. With a couple of limps in there already, it seems like it might be good to encourage rather than discourage more. Does that make sense?

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This depends on the characteristics of the remaining players. If this is the kind of game where I can get position with my 3-bet AND have both limpers and sometimes the BB call, I think a raise is in order. My default play is probably a limp here, though.


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It's a double gutshot.

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Good eye; I completely missed that.


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