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And FWIW, I'd be happy if a room had a rule that props can't check-raise. First, I'm sure that won't affect the availability of props. Second, I'd never have to fear a checkraise from that player. I wouldn't lobby for such a rule to be in place, but if it was, I'd take advantage of it.

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It would also be more likely that the props would not be as good, because a good prop would want to work elsewhere, in a room where they could keep their edge. (It's also possible that there might be other edge-reducing rules in a room that forbade c/r.)

So even better.

As for the nit, some people do see the c/r as a "mean" play. (IME, those people tend to be bad, yet overly serious, players.)

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I'd have no problem with a rule against shills check-raising,

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Actually it was always my understanding that most places that used Shills -- Shills could not bet or raise at all, they would post blinds, ante's, bring-ins and fold to any bet.

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The nit was out of line. Nobody should ever be upset with how anybody else plays their cards. What if the propr had check-rasied him with a losing hand, would he have been upset then?

That said, sometimes, as a prop, or even as a regular player, you have to consider the big picture. There are some players I will never check-raise head-up because there are things that are more important than the extra few dollars I would win on that hand.

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I'd have no problem with a rule against shills check-raising,

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Actually it was always my understanding that most places that used Shills -- Shills could not bet or raise at all, they would post blinds, ante's, bring-ins and fold to any bet.

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This is accurate. In my time in this business I know fo exactly one shill being used in a poker game in a casino, I used it and then had to explain exactly what a shill as and why I signed a paid out slip to give them chips.

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Excuse my ignorance, but do "major" casinos regularly have dealers who are also playing in the game they deal?

No one finds this a little wierd? I mean personally I wouldn't care, but I can't imagine Joe public thinking this is normal. Nor can I imagine card rooms wanting their dealers playing at the same time.

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Excuse my ignorance, but do "major" casinos regularly have dealers who are also playing in the game they deal?

No one finds this a little wierd? I mean personally I wouldn't care, but I can't imagine Joe public thinking this is normal. Nor can I imagine card rooms wanting their dealers playing at the same time.

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There are some notable exceptions but most poker rooms allow and encourage their dealers to play.

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Excuse my ignorance, but do "major" casinos regularly have dealers who are also playing in the game they deal?

No one finds this a little wierd? I mean personally I wouldn't care, but I can't imagine Joe public thinking this is normal. Nor can I imagine card rooms wanting their dealers playing at the same time.

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There are some notable exceptions but most poker rooms allow and encourage their dealers to play.

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I'm going to go ahead here and ask the obvious question of why.

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Excuse my ignorance, but do "major" casinos regularly have dealers who are also playing in the game they deal?

No one finds this a little wierd? I mean personally I wouldn't care, but I can't imagine Joe public thinking this is normal. Nor can I imagine card rooms wanting their dealers playing at the same time.

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There are some notable exceptions but most poker rooms allow and encourage their dealers to play.

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I'm going to go ahead here and ask the obvious question of why.

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You are in a business of offering poker games. Poker is unique in that it takes multiple guests to play (you dont' ahve to someoen to play blackjack against you just place your bets). There are people in these poker rooms that would like to play poker, and the poekr room would like for them to play; makes sense to seat them in the game.

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Excuse my ignorance, but do "major" casinos regularly have dealers who are also playing in the game they deal?

No one finds this a little wierd? I mean personally I wouldn't care, but I can't imagine Joe public thinking this is normal. Nor can I imagine card rooms wanting their dealers playing at the same time.

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It is ignorance, but that just means you havent been around the business much. No offense. MOST real cardrooms allow dealers to play. It's not wierd. It's been a part of the business for many many years. Normally they must conduct themselves in a proper manner, but checkraiseing should not be taken from thier options on playing a hand.

BTW Chipr....the shoe does not have "props" by the true definition of the word. I would just call them dealers playing in a game. And screw the nit.

BTW...as a floor you may want to pull him asside (the nit) and speak to him about this....maybe he'll back off, but who knows.

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Excuse my ignorance, but do "major" casinos regularly have dealers who are also playing in the game they deal?

No one finds this a little wierd? I mean personally I wouldn't care, but I can't imagine Joe public thinking this is normal. Nor can I imagine card rooms wanting their dealers playing at the same time.

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It is ignorance, but that just means you havent been around the business much. No offense. MOST real cardrooms allow dealers to play. It's not wierd. It's been a part of the business for many many years. Normally they must conduct themselves in a proper manner, but checkraiseing should not be taken from thier options on playing a hand.

BTW Chipr....the shoe does not have "props" by the true definition of the word. I would just call them dealers playing in a game. And screw the nit.

BTW...as a floor you may want to pull him asside (the nit) and speak to him about this....maybe he'll back off, but who knows.

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I already stated I'm ignorant about this, but still my question remains unanswered. How does having dealers play as well benefit the casino? I can imagine so many bad scenarios (dealer being hot & breaking somone and being accused of cheating, dealer losing a big hand and tilting off at a customer, etc.). So in some way the casinos must benefit more than these drawbacks for them to be in favor it. It the rake the dealer contributes that worthwhile?