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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed)

UTG ($136.4)
UTG+1 ($34.9)
Hero ($54.65)
MP2 ($143.93)
MP3 ($48.5)
CO ($43.35)
Button ($47.55)
SB ($109.62)
BB ($62.2)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $1, MP2 calls $1, MP3 folds, CO raises to $4, Button folds, SB calls $3.50, BB folds, Hero calls $3, MP2 calls $3.

Flop: ($17) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($17) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets $20, Hero folds, MP2 raises to $40, CO folds, SB calls $20.

River: ($97) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets $99.93 (All-In), SB calls $65.62 (All-In).

Final Pot: $262.55
Main Pot: $228.24, between MP2 and SB. > Pot won by MP2 ($228.24).
Pot 2: $34.31, returned to MP2.

Results in white below: 
SB has Qs Jc (two pair, queens and jacks).
MP2 has Ks Qd (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: MP2 wins $262.55. 

I was sick when I saw the cards, and it's rare for me to muck trips so want to make sure that I did the right thing.

Did I totally blow this, I usually slow play trips and hope that someone catches a piece of it on the flop, if nothing happens I start betting on the turn and try to build a pot.
Had I stayed I would have won, but it seems that the majority of the time this ends up being a -ev play for me to stay in this circumstance after the turn with the betting and 3 to the flush on board.

This is my first hand post so be gentle [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

One Street at a Time
wdbaker Denver, Co

Re: mucked trips

Sets are a very vulnerable hand. You should rarely slowplay them and this hand is a perfect example. Bet out the flop and be happy to take down the preflop action. Since you didn't do this you're in a sticky situation when you're in a 4-way pot with a 3-flush on the board...I probably fold here too but it's pretty read dependent.

Re: mucked trips

you made mistake by not betting on flop on a straight/flush cards on flop. but you must call that 20$ because of implied odds of taking other guys stack when board pairs to beat his flush/straight. (which it does 1 in 3 times) and of course call the additional 20$ raise. folding on river is debatable.

Re: mucked trips

raising preflop w/ JJ would have been a good move. But you should call the 20, like was mentioned earlier, for the implied odds of rivering a boat or quads. Don't slowplay a set with a flush draw or straight draw on the flop. Only slow play it on a raggedy disconnected rainbow flop. That way you aren't letting anybody catch their draws for free, and it is unlikely for anyone to have anything so you want to let them catch something.

Re: mucked trips

Don't check the flop.

Re: mucked trips

like all the others have said, don't check the flop. Bet it hard. I guarantee you the others will not put you on a set at this level but would think you had something like TP good kicker. Guy with KQ probably would have even raised. Then of course you push reraise.

For future reference, set refers to when you make 3 of a kind with a pocket pair in your hand. Trips refer to 3 of a kind when pair is on the board.

Re: mucked trips

come on guys, checking the flop isnt that big of a mistake, and it certainly wasnt the largest one in this hand. (c/r the flop is a valid play against some opponents) You need to call that turn bet. when the sb bets, i put him on a pair or 2 pair, and not a flush. how many players overbet a made flush on that turn? the more standard play is an underbet or a turn check raise. even if made a bet that looks like a potential flush, you still call, as he would play lower trips, 2 pair, even 1 pair this way.

i wouldnt raise because i dont want lesser non flush hands to be given the chance to fold.

Re: mucked trips

Ok, I know, I don't normally slow play them with two too the flush on the board, I was taking a chance there in that with two face cards on the flop I figured someone would bet the flop having got a piece of it, giving me a chance to either call or reraise. I think not having better position may have affected me. The pot size bet from the SB kind of threw me on the turn, maybe if I hadn't been playing 3 tables and had more time to think I would have played this better. Hopefully this will help me make the right decision next time. Still not sure had I stayed that I wouldn't have folded with everyone pushing in on the river, I'm just amazed no one had the flush [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Party eh...

Can anyone think of similar circumstances where it would be appropriate to fold your set?

Thanks for all the input

One Street at a Time
wdbaker Denver, Co

Re: mucked trips

There's $16 in the pot and you got $50 in front of you. Alot of drawing hands 9 10, AK or A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]X[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] that could be in there. I'd put in a healthy raise to remove the draws and hopefully get AK or AQ to call. Although, with your stack, pushing all in on the flop isnt a bad idea.

Re: mucked trips

You've gotta bet this flop and bet it pretty aggressively. There is a straight draw and a flush draw, and the pot is already pretty decent. In NL, you can't get too greedy, and you have to charge people to see cards. The only time I really like to slowplay in NL is with the nuts or near nuts (especially online)...otherwise a vulnerable hand like this can easily be beaten on 4th or 5th street. So yea...bet out and let the guys with 2 pair and top pair reraise you and then go all in before they can hit their hands. Good luck.