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skoal2k4 06-02-2005 03:26 PM

Too aggressive with QQ here?
 
PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (7 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, CO calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

gehrig 06-02-2005 03:34 PM

Re: Too aggressive with QQ here?
 
What does your flop three-bet accomplish

skoal2k4 06-02-2005 03:43 PM

Re: Too aggressive with QQ here?
 
1) I don't know if he's raising his flush draw, but if he is, I want to charge him for it.

2) If he does have a weak Ace, I'm hoping he'll maybe give it up by the turn or river

RunDownHouse 06-02-2005 03:46 PM

Re: Too aggressive with QQ here?
 
You'd better rethink reason #2.

skoal2k4 06-02-2005 03:50 PM

Re: Too aggressive with QQ here?
 
agreed.... that's something I'm starting to realize as fauly reasoning

gehrig 06-02-2005 03:54 PM

Re: Too aggressive with QQ here?
 
He'll only fold an ace if a third player starts going crazy, and even then only occasionally

If you think he has either a flush draw or an ace, he needs to have a flush draw twice as often as he has an ace for you to get any value from raising the flop. Actually it's a little worse than that, because sometimes he'll have king outs too.

spydog 06-02-2005 03:54 PM

Re: Too aggressive with QQ here?
 
Any read on CO?

Without a read I would just call down his flop raise and be prepared to check-fold if the 3rd spade hits on the river.

However, since no spade came on the river I would check-call and hope to snap a bluff from a busted spade draw.

skoal2k4 06-02-2005 03:57 PM

Re: Too aggressive with QQ here?
 
so..
bet/call on the flop

what about turn and river? check/call?

skoal2k4 06-02-2005 03:58 PM

Re: Too aggressive with QQ here?
 
no, no reads... about the 5th hand since I sat down

gehrig 06-02-2005 04:13 PM

Re: Too aggressive with QQ here?
 
Your effective odds aren't great, 2.4-1. You need to win the hand 30% of the time to call down.

Typical players at 1/2 aren't very tricky. Peeling one off and seeing a turn isn't horrible, but you don't have much reason to see a showdown here.


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