River call. Obvious?
 

Humor me.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (5.16 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.16 BB

Re: River call. Obvious?
 

Yeah, I call it.

Re: River call. Obvious?
 

He's pulling a standard clarkmeister...don't let him get away with it [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: River call. Obvious?
 

I don't think it's obvious, at least with no read. I'd call and expect to see a middle [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (who doesn't lead or c/r the flop with the A or Q??). Really this is a hugely player-dependent decision though.

Re: River call. Obvious?
 

The Clarkmeister applies when the 4th of the suit comes on the river.

I don't see many Villain's playing this line without a spade. I fold against an unknown.

Re: River call. Obvious?
 

Impossible without a read? This is a horrible line against some opponents and the only line against others.

Re: River call. Obvious?
 

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Impossible without a read? This is a horrible line against some opponents and the only line against others.

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Well, I have no read. I've played maybe 20 hands at the table. I think you need to have a default play that you can make absent a read, because this is frequently the case for me.

Re: River call. Obvious?
 

for me its a call vs an unknown

Re: River call. Obvious?
 

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Humor me.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (5.16 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.16 BB

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Isn't this a standard spot for a free showdown raise on the turn? We're committed to showing down, we may be ahead, and we've got lots of outs if behind. Yeah it sucks getting 3-bet, but he's in the BB, so he could easily have a crappy spade and go passive if raised.

Re: River call. Obvious?
 

After rake, you are getting just under 6-1, and it feels like I've seen people betting at 4-flushes without a flush a lot more than 1/7 of the time at Party 3/6. I call.