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johnnybeef 12-15-2005 02:42 PM

River decision/am I committed?
 
This one is from a 22, and we are about 6 hands in. Im on the button with t700 and i look down to see 2 black aces. All fold to the hijack who open limps (has me covered). I make it 60 to play, the sb folds, the bb (has me covered) calls, as does the hijack.

Reads: Hijack is a calling station, and could be limping with any two here.

BB: hasn't played a hand yet.

flop (190) TcQdKc BB minbets t15, hijack calls, I call.

Turn (235) Jh BB minbets, hijack calls, I raise to 250, bb calls, hijack folds.

River (750) Td BB shoves. I have 350 behind.

Comments on all streets appreciated, I think that I played it perfectly on all streets, except perhaps the river, which I am still unsure if I am pot commited or not.

tigerite 12-15-2005 02:48 PM

Re: River decision/am I committed?
 
I would be raising the flop - too many draws out there and too much chance you already have the best hand anyway. Plus which it makes the shove on the turn much easier, then you don't have a difficult decision on the river.

johnnybeef 12-15-2005 03:01 PM

Re: River decision/am I committed?
 
I totally disagree with this line. If I raise and he shoves, I have to fold a hand that has a ton of cards that could improve my equity here. Playing post flop is fun.

kevkev60614 12-15-2005 03:01 PM

Re: River decision/am I committed?
 
Aye. Raise the flop. From what you are on the river, I think you have to call.

junkmail3 12-15-2005 03:06 PM

Re: River decision/am I committed?
 
Not calling puts him on exactly KK/QQ/JJ/TT/KT/QT/JT - 7 hands.

It's more than 2, but come on. Pot committed or not, you're playing a 22 with a stragith and you're thinking about folding ... ?

Irieguy 12-15-2005 03:08 PM

Re: River decision/am I committed?
 
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I totally disagree with this line. If I raise and he shoves, I have to fold a hand that has a ton of cards that could improve my equity here. Playing post flop is fun.

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You have 640 chips and the pot is 220 to you on the flop. There's no "playing post flop" here.

Just get it in on the flop. All other options are worse.

Irieguy

wuwei 12-15-2005 03:10 PM

Re: River decision/am I committed?
 
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You have 640 chips and the pot is 220 to you on the flop. There's no "playing post flop" here.

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Bingo.

Marc H 12-15-2005 03:21 PM

Re: River decision/am I committed?
 
[ QUOTE ]
You have 640 chips and the pot is 220 to you on the flop. There's no "playing post flop" here.

Just get it in on the flop. All other options are worse.

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Ditto.
And when your flop flat-call results in your losing all your chips to a club flush? That's Sklansky's "mathematical catastrophe" hitting you in the face.

johnnybeef 12-15-2005 03:34 PM

Re: River decision/am I committed?
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
You have 640 chips and the pot is 220 to you on the flop. There's no "playing post flop" here.

Just get it in on the flop. All other options are worse.

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Ditto.
And when your flop flat-call results in your losing all your chips to a club flush? That's Sklansky's "mathematical catastrophe" hitting you in the face.

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I had the ace of clubs so this doesn't really apply here. Shoving the flop was never really a thought in my mind for some reason, even though, now it is totally the obvious play to me.

The Yugoslavian 12-15-2005 03:36 PM

Re: River decision/am I committed?
 
beefy,

In such short stack tournament play....shoving should *always* be something you consider.

Yugoslav


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