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Correctly pouring a glass of Weißbier is an art which any self-respecting adult Bavarian is expected to have practised well enough to execute flawlessly. (It is a disgrace to be unable to pour the whole half-litre bottle into the glass or — even worse — let foam spill over requiring one to hastily suck it up.)

Anyway, 5/10, should probably be in the other forum, but no, sorry!

Villian is 20/13 200 hands reg. No personal reads of him.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

BB ($985)
UTG ($1377.50)
MP ($621)
CO ($1313.75)
Button ($1220.75)
Hero ($1052.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls $10, MP calls $10, 2 folds, Hero (poster) completes, BB raises to $35, UTG calls $35, MP calls $35, Hero calls $35.

Flop: ($180) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $10, MP raises to $77, Hero raises to $200, BB calls $200, UTG folds, MP folds.

Turn: ($667) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Yea. what now!

meh. i don't like happily getting stacked here like a lemming. how many 2p2ers with AA KK etc would call after it's 3 bets back to them? Moreso, why even check in the first place?

Even if we say he raised QJs from the bb only to 35, that's 6:3 i'm beat:win vs sets. If i can make the hand go in a fashion that i get 6:3 from the pot, cool, play it that way, but how?

To me it seems like i'm against unlikely, 'maybe this, maybe that' hands vs very possible hand.

An AA KK QQ JJ that checked the flop then called 3 bets back in a regulars hands, then will pay off a turn bet or a QJs that raised preflop then checked vs a a 99 TT that raised then checked with a set.

Even if we weight it down to DEF QJs vs 99 TT i am in [censored] street or, if we weight it down to a 50% chance of AA a def. QJs vs TT 99, that then only makes me even money vs his hands, in which i have to try to make sure i go equal amounts against both, rather than simply 'have set, get stacked'.

But everyone must think AA checkcalls this flop often or QJs does this often or sets do this never, which?

U make some good points, and I will admit that with the story before hand and the semi hard to follow weird action, and the tone of your post I more or less saw the turn card...saw u had a set and said bet. I also thought it would be cool for the thread to go bet-bump-bet. Anyways I will look at this more and try to offer an opinion but it is definitely a weird spot at this point.

against that players stats, i think you are looking at a set a large amount of the time.

is check folding here awful?

the combination of the flop check and big cold call sets off huge alarms if the opponent isnt a huge idiot.

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is check folding here awful?

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You check.

1. He bets $350.

2. He bets $600

You?

The bet of $10 and raise to $77 have to taken into account. It's not like you each have 50K on the table, the first guy bet $200, MP raised to $800 and you made it $3K. Maybe he checked AA/KK for pot control/to see what develops and now it looks like both bettor and pathetic raiser are weak and you might be attacking weakness so he has to call because he might be good but plans to re-evaluate on the turn. But since this looks like WA/WB on the turn, I like a check.