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scotty34 11-22-2005 06:06 AM

Learning to fold
 
BB is a pretty LAG player, but not stupid. Stats are around 40/20

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, BB calls, UTG folds.

River: (8 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets</font>, <font color="red">BB raises</font>

OK, first of all, given that this guy is a LAG, is there still value in the river bet? I would have expected him to raise me somewhere with any A, so I don't put him on that. I kind of sensed the C/R before it happened, yet bet anyways.

Second, do I pay this off?

aba20 11-22-2005 06:14 AM

Re: Learning to fold
 
This is the type of river bet where I tell myself before I bet that I have to fold if check raised because I am always so tempted to call. I think that there is value in the river bet especially since it is HU, you may get called by very weak hands. You can safely fold this river to a check raise. At best you are chopping.

imported_leader 11-22-2005 06:25 AM

Re: Learning to fold
 
How often does he bluff a busted flush draw? There's always QT too.

flawless_victory 11-22-2005 07:35 AM

Re: Learning to fold
 
i dont see any value in that river bet.

kapw7 11-22-2005 08:32 AM

Re: Learning to fold
 
I'm not that tough a player to fold against a LAG getting 11:1.
I can't answer if it's a value bet as I am influenced by the results. I think I would bet though.

imported_leader 11-22-2005 11:01 PM

Re: Learning to fold
 
bump

einbert 11-22-2005 11:03 PM

Re: Learning to fold
 
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i dont see any value in that river bet.

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11-23-2005 04:31 AM

Re: Learning to fold
 
I'm wondering why there isnt value in the river bet?

imported_leader 11-23-2005 04:36 AM

Re: Learning to fold
 
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I'm wondering why there isnt value in the river bet?

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What do you do with the raise?

aba20 11-23-2005 04:38 AM

Re: Learning to fold
 
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I'm wondering why there isnt value in the river bet?


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What do you do with the raise?

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fold, you are getting bluffed here almost never.


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