6 Max SNG\'s
 

I looked for posts on this but couldn't find anything. Does anyone play these? Has there been discussions on the pros and cons of 6 max vs. full table?

Thanks.

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I play 6 max regularly, but I play them at pacific poker where they pay out top 3 instead of top 2. This greatly reduces variance.

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IT also greatly reduces profit for a good player. Though you can probably still make more per hour on either of them cause they take less time to play... but if your 8 tabling full sng's.. Can you 8 table a shorthanded Sng. Its pretty hard even doing 3-4 of em and I used to do 8 tables of ful table.

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I have been specializing in Crypto's high-stakes 6-max(£130, £215, £320 buy-ins) SNGs they call Sixpaks. The main disadvantage is that they are high-maintenance -- while its relatively standard to play 6-8 table sets of full SNGs, I max out at about 3-4 of these at a time for optimal results. This cuts into hourly wage.

Another key aspect is the 75-25 payout structure. Superior heads-up game tactics are essential in this format. Most people do not focus on heads-up in SNGs, but 1st place is where the money is, and this is a very exploitable flaw if you can make proper adjustments well. They key is to make to heads-up - then you unleash all of the reads you accumulated. It is not as random as most people make it out to be - it can be random if you face a good HU player, but most SNGers suck at HU.

If the heads-up starts early (sometimes 1 guy will take the other 4 out at/before Level 4), you have a chance to probe your opponent for weakness, lie low until blinds get big, and then drop the hammer.

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I found the payout structure frustrating.

And actually looser play is rewarded so the fish play better by accident.

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tjh

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I don't like them. Six handed play forces you to widen your range and play poker against players who potentially don't know how to play poker. And, there is less dead money.

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Think about all the dead money in the 10 handed SNGs...

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preface: I don't multitable.

I have begun playing stars 12+1 6max exclusively.

I love em. Stay away. pleeze.

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Think about all the dead money in the HU SNGs...

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play poker against players who potentially don't know how to play poker.

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And the bad thing about that is.............???

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And, there is less dead money.

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In a 9 player Stars SnG, there are usually 5-6 players who are totally clueless. In a 6 player Stars SnG, there are usually 3-4 players who are totally clueless. A regular $10+1 and a $12+1/6 max pay about the same to the winner. So I figure about the same value in both.

The two main things that strike me about 6 max at Stars (the only place I have played them):

1. They take about the same time as a 9 player SnG, which seems like entirely too much time; and

2. 6 max players for some reason are much worse at HU play.

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I used to play 6 max SNG's on Pacific Poker as well... But then I came to a realization:

When I play 10 man SNG's, due to tight early play I can simply outlast my way to 6 people left the VAST majority of the time. Now, I think of it as a 6 man SNG where the prize money is much larger.

Of couse, it doesn't always work out that way, but on average, this is why I find 10 man SNG's more profitable.

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I was wondering if there was a place that did this. I'll have to take a look. Thx.

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I switched over to 6-max $35s pretty much exclusively at stars (username the same) this year. I play about 10 a day. Yes, you cannot 8-table or 10-table them. I usually only 2-table them, 30 minutes at a time (they usually last 45-60 at most, sometimes I can win one in 30 minutes). I really like the structure, because it forces you to play a lot more poker postflop with different hand ranges. With full tables, often times the starting requirements seem very cut and dried, as does the play.

For my money, the players are just worse at the $35s than they are at the 33s full table too.

I only have a few hundred 6-handed SNGS of data, but so far I'm looking at about a 17.5% ROI and a 42%+ ITM (22% 1st, 20% 2nd). Good times. I believe that higher ROIs and ITM are acheivable at the $35s than at the $33s. Also, the rake is less in terms of the percentage, so you're getting more money in the prize pool.

Christ, if I could only get Stars to add a $70 level...I've been emailing them for months and they just keep saying "get more people to write us"

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It just places a much higher premium on reading your opponent and outplaying them postflop, IMO. Sometimes you have to know when to lay some big hands down.


EDIT: That's not to say you don't have to make big laydowns in full tables, I just think postflop play is so much more at a premium on the short tables.