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I was reviewing someones HH and saw this hand. Not sure how I would have played it. I probably would have either pushed or folded the flop, leaning towards push, but not sure. Suggestions?


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP1 ($205.90)
MP2 ($438.50)
MP3 ($180.45)
CO ($195.45)
Button ($334.83)
Hero ($331.73)
BB ($244.95)
UTG ($198)
UTG+1 ($402.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $4, Hero (poster) calls $3, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $2.

Flop: ($18) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $25</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $47</font>, Hero calls $22.

Turn: ($112) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $60</font>, Button calls $60.

River: ($232) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero calls $220.73 (All-In), Button folds.

Final Pot: $452.73

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It looks like A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] x or possibly 99/88...hard to say without read on villain...

I think a flop push would have got called....but maximum money was gained from hand I think by the river card......

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That preflop call was absolutely disgusting though.

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Bet. More. On. Turn.

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That preflop call was absolutely disgusting though.

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huh?

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I usually pot the flop here, but given hero check-raised and got min-raised, I like the call and look for a good turn card option

But then when the turn is good, I pot the turn. Unless I have a read on villian that he is aggresive with draws on the turn, then I'd check-raise. I hate hate that half pot bet he did there

Given how hero got to the river, I would probably half pot it to try and win a call from a hand like A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Qx or K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Qx

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I don't often call down a min-raise with JTo myself from the SB (lousy position) but calling is hardly a heinous crime especially as the stacks are relatively deep..

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I like the call and look for a good turn card option



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what could possibly be a good turn card? Any spade gives A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] x a flush, any pair gives a set a fh/quads. If its not one of those we are in the same position we are on the flop. Our hand can't improve. Can someone tell me why wait until the turn to try and get it allin?

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I dont like allin on this flop. You will either be drawing dead, or be a slight favorite

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I like the call and look for a good turn card option



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what could possibly be a good turn card? Any spade gives A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] x a flush, any pair gives a set a fh/quads. If its not one of those we are in the same position we are on the flop. Our hand can't improve. Can someone tell me why wait until the turn to try and get it allin?

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By safe turn card I mean any non spade A/K/7/6/5/4/3/2

The theory behind this is that if you are up against a set or a bare A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] it is much better to put some money in on the turn when they only have one card left to hit there hand. You will get raised by a set or bare ace much less on the turn because their equity just got chopped in half, so you avoid the problem of getting 5-bet on the flop and not knowing if villian has the flush or only has 1/3 equity

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why push that river? waiting for the turn card is a good move IMO.

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I like the call and look for a good turn card option



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what could possibly be a good turn card? Any spade gives A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] x a flush, any pair gives a set a fh/quads. If its not one of those we are in the same position we are on the flop. Our hand can't improve. Can someone tell me why wait until the turn to try and get it allin?

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By safe turn card I mean any non spade A/K/7/6/5/4/3/2

The theory behind this is that if you are up against a set or a bare A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] it is much better to put some money in on the turn when they only have one card left to hit there hand. You will get raised by a set or bare ace much less on the turn because their equity just got chopped in half, so you avoid the problem of getting 5-bet on the flop and not knowing if villian has the flush or only has 1/3 equity

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Thanks for the lesson. I never understood this before, but I do now.

Basically pot any non scary turn and if he plays back you can be pretty sure ur behind. If a scare card comes you can get away for $44 instead of a potential $350.

Right?

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I like the call and look for a good turn card option



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what could possibly be a good turn card? Any spade gives A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] x a flush, any pair gives a set a fh/quads. If its not one of those we are in the same position we are on the flop. Our hand can't improve. Can someone tell me why wait until the turn to try and get it allin?

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By safe turn card I mean any non spade A/K/7/6/5/4/3/2

The theory behind this is that if you are up against a set or a bare A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] it is much better to put some money in on the turn when they only have one card left to hit there hand. You will get raised by a set or bare ace much less on the turn because their equity just got chopped in half, so you avoid the problem of getting 5-bet on the flop and not knowing if villian has the flush or only has 1/3 equity

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Doesnt the equity of a set INCREASE on a blank ("safe?" turn.

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Bet the turn harder, make his spade pay.

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I like the flop call of button reraise. If you get it all in here, you're either slight fav or drawing dead often.

Wait for turn to blank, then get more in. There are at least 18 cards you dont want to see, but these cards will slow him down as well. The fourth spade will shut down his set, and the paired board will make it less expensive when he has flush.

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Doesnt the equity of a set INCREASE on a blank ("safe?" turn.

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against a draw yes, against a made straight no

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That preflop call was absolutely disgusting though.

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he only plays aces to deuces to preflop raises and never connecting high cards because he'll go broke with top pair more than his oppenants at his level... that's the implication he's making by stating this so matter-of-factly...


booooooooooo

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If a scare card comes you can get away for $44 instead of a potential $350.

Right?

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yeah that's be my plan. check/fold turn, if he checks behind I check river and ponder a call if the board is paired