Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

Think it's cheating?
I certainly do. (referring specifically to encouraging the others at your table to do it).


Perhaps this is a bit petty...but I have reported similar 'violators' to support at stars and party and/or told the offenders that 'encouraging the whole table to stall is not allowed' in previous situations.

It just happened that this situation was particularly egregious...AND I also happened to lose on the bubble.

Would I have made it if there hadn't been the open-discussion/collusion on the other tables? Probably wouldn't have made much difference.
But I still don't think those who actively try to get their whole table to 'team-up' deserve to win either.


=====================


Hello -

I played in the CPC special qualifier ($90/9) on
Friday night and there was some conspiring that took
place on table #2 when it got down to 2 tables
remaining.

It took place with 13 and then with 12 players left.


The top 11 players received seats to the $800+50
Canadian special.

One player named xxxxxxxxx was telling the rest of the
table to stall as long as possible on each hand.

Later, xxxxxxxxx was telling the table not to play any
hands or take any risks because one of the players on
the other table had a short-stack and would be in the
BB in two hands (this player on the other table
happened to be me).


Also, a player named yyyyyyyy made a raise, and then
while the other players were deciding, he announced to
the table that he was holding AA and he didn't want
anyone on his table to get knocked-out.
After everyone folded he indeed showed them AA.



I think it is a serious breach of the rules for a
player to tell the table what he is holding so that
all of his new 'friends' at the table can avoid being
eliminated.

xxxxxxxxx's violations were more egregious though
because he/she was encouraging the whole table to
stall because they had 7 players left on their table
while the other one had only 6. xxxxxxxxx was
specifically telling the table that they had a big
advantage by stalling because they had one more player
than the other table.


Also, please note that for some reason the party
software did not implement hand-for-hand play with 2
tables remaining even though it clearly should have.


Once the players on table 2 figured out that there was
no hand-for-hand play being used and at that point they started talking about stalling and they got really out-of-hand about it.


I think I am deserving of an $800+50 seat to the Canadian
Special (Saturday at 2pm) as I was the victim of an
entire table openly conspiring against me.
It was a wholly unfair situation (and I was unable to
ask them to stop conspiring because observer-chat was
not allowed).

Those who play FAIRLY and WITHIN the rules are clearly
more deserving of the seat than those who openly cheat
and conspire at the tables and in the chat-boxes.

I was trying to play a fair game...but some of the
other players were not.


Please forward this to the appropriate department and
get back to me regarding what you plan to do in this
matter.


Thank you,
Bob xxxxx




===========================



Dear Bob,

Thank you for contacting us with your concern.

We would like to thank you for bringing to our notice the inappropriate
conversation in the game ID *CPC Special Qualifier* .

This is definitely not acceptable, the chat feature is provided for
players as a ýadd oný feature to better experience the action at our
tables, but any misuse of this feature is not permitted.

We discourage such activities on our site and hence have him requested
him an explanation for the same. We have also issued him a warning and
have further put a block on his chat privileges.

However, we have also noticed that players on your table too were
trying to prolong the game. During the hands #zzzzzzzzzz and #zzzzzzzzzzz
players have been trying to gain advantage.

We have flagged the accounts and would be monitoring them on a regular
basis.

Contact us anytime, we are available around the clock to assist you
with your account related questions and suggestions.

Sincerely,

Natalie Thomas
Investigations Team



===========================================



Please more fully consider the situation.


This is far more than just the fact that 'both tables
were engaged in some kinds of stalling'.

If a player on their own does this then that is one
thing.

But if a player is using the chat-feature to encourage
everyone at the table to do this then that is clearly
cheating and collusion.

The problem here is not the actual stalling itself.
The problem is that on the other table there was open
and inappropriate discussion about it.

Then a player told the table what hole-cards he was
holding in efforts to help everyone on his table win
the seat.

Then a different player told the whole table not to
play any hands because there was a short-stack that
would be in the BB soon.

Players are not allowed to discuss such things like
"hey everybody. don't play any hands."
It's entirely possible that someone would have played
a hand of their own volition...but then the idea of
the whole table conspiring to fold around to the
blinds came into play.



The 2nd table had players actively trying to get
everyone to 'team-up' and stall.


Thank you,
Bob xxxxxxx

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

Well...at least they are responding quickly.

But we're going backwards here as this particular rep doesn't seem to understand what I'm talking about.


-----------------------------



Dear Bob,
>
> Thank you for contacting us at PartyPoker.com
>
> We understand your concern regarding players that
> intentionally stall in
> tournaments. This is an area that we are currently
> working on improving.
>
> There are a few things that we have done to minimize
> the stalling; 1) reduced the time to act (earlier it
> was 40 seconds), 2) implemented hand for hand game
> play so that the players do not gain advantage by
> stalling since all the hands begin and end at the
> same time, 3) Reduced the time to act even further
> and installed a "time
> bank" where players use their time more effectively.
>
>
> With that said, even after we implement as many
> things as possible to help curb it, there will
> always be an amount of time that is given to each
> player to act. Each player is allowed to take the
> time that they feel they need.
>
> We understand that it can be frustrating when
> players elect to use their
> time each hand, but it is something that is afforded
> each player and they can rightfully use that time.
>
> Taking extra time is not colluding, it is a strategy
> that some players feel
> benefits them, when in fact it actually hurts the
> same players that are
> doing it. All players have the same opportunities
> when it comes to take
> extra time.
>
> I understand that this is not the answer that you
> are looking for, but you must realize the position
> that we are in. We can ask players to speed up
> their play (and we do), but our hands are tied when
> it comes to punishing any player for doing something
> that they are entitled to do.
>
> Contact us anytime, we are available around the
> clock to assist you with your account related
> questions and suggestions.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Akshay
> Investigations Team



=====================================


My complaint is not regarding the fact that players
were stalling.
My complaint is that there were players who were
openly and actively telling everyone else at their
table how to play.

Your response indicates that you do not understand the
problem I am describing.

It is collusion if a player is telling the rest of the
table how to play.
It is also collusion if a player tells the table that
everyone should fold because he is holding AA.
It is also collusion if a player tells the table not
to play any hands or take any risks so that they can
all be winners.


The stalling itself was not the problem.
The fact that multiple players were openly discussing
it in the chat-box was the problem.


Again, I ask that the partypoker investigators fully
consider the situation of the players at the table
telling each other how to play and openly trying to
get their whole table to advance.

There is no question that this is collusion and
cheating.



Thank you.

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

This is why pokersites need support people who have a clue about the game of poker. Maybe a PM to Mike O'malley would help.

rJ

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

Yes, this is pretty clear collusion, and disgusting. Imagine what penalties would be invoked if this were done in a live casino! I think any player who tries to get the table to stall or announces his hand to influence the action should be disqualified.

It should be obvious that banning these tactics is in the interest of the poker sites, but they seem not to care. I've stopped playing tournaments on multiple sites after receiving unsatisfactory responses from support about players openly colluding.

[ QUOTE ]
Also, a player named yyyyyyyy made a raise, and then
while the other players were deciding, he announced to
the table that he was holding AA and he didn't want
anyone on his table to get knocked-out.
After everyone folded he indeed showed them AA.


[/ QUOTE ]
This appears to fit the description of soft-playing in Party's tournament rules:
<ul type="square">
18. There should be no soft playing during Tournaments. Soft playing is to not bet your hand to the fullest extent when playing against someone (usually friends and/or family). It goes against the spirit of the game and is considered cheating in some instances. [/list]

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

looks like you have a case here. You've definately been wronged and I wouldn't stop pestering them until I got a satisfactory resolution.
Make sure the rep forwards it to his/her supervisor because he/she is clearly clueless here.
Post us an update.

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

wow that sucks man. if party wont do anything then the next time you have a big stack and are in the position to [censored] somebody over just do it. they will most likely do it to you. [censored] em. [censored] em all mbob.

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

Final part of the conversation with them before I head for bed (fwiw - I could have sworn the guy showed the table his AA...and I think it's possible that this rep looked up the wrong hand-number to look at his hole-cards....but I couldn't swear to it):




--- alerts@partypoker.com wrote:

&gt; Dear Bob,
&gt;
&gt; Thank you for contacting us at PartyPoker.com.
&gt;
&gt; In regards to your email, at the outset, we would
&gt; like to inform you that all our Multi table
&gt; tournaments have a special feature called
&gt; Hand-For-Hand, which ensures that all the tables
&gt; play the same number of hands. In the CPC Special
&gt; Qualifier, Hand-For-Hand was available.
&gt; Please click on the below link for more details on
&gt; the Hand-For-Hand.
&gt;
&gt; http://www.partypoker.com/games/tour...e.html#latereg
&gt;
&gt; Regarding your query on collusion, we would like to
&gt; inform you that we have gone through their chat
&gt; messages and compared it with their hole cards and
&gt; it indicates there is no collusion. And as far as
&gt; the player discussing his holes cards (AA) in one of
&gt; the hands is concerned he did not have them he was
&gt; just coffee housing.
&gt;
&gt; Contact us anytime, we are available around the
&gt; clock to assist you with your account related
&gt; questions and suggestions.
&gt;
&gt; Sincerely,
&gt;
&gt; Akshay
&gt; Investigations Team
&gt; alerts@partypoker.com



=============================


Hello -

It is clear that you are still not understanding what I am saying.
Please forward this situation to a supervisor or to another representative if you would.


As I mentioned in the original e-mail, hand-for-hand play was NOT in effect when there were 13 players remaining.
Clearly there SHOULD have been hand-for-hand play. But it was not in effect for some reason.


I am not going to bother re-explaining my position on this as I think I have already made it very clear.

Please forward this to someone who understands the situation and is willing to read this entire e-mail conversation that I have had with 2 different reps in it's entirety.



To whomever takes a look at this situation next,

Please observe that the first party-rep to look at this (natalie Thomas) clearly said this was not acceptable and that the misuse of the chat-feature is not permitted.

If they were deemed to be cheating/colluding with others at the table then those effected by the collusion are deserving of some compensation.

I am the player that did NOT encourage anyone at my table to play in a certain manner.

Other players clearly were colluding.


Thank you,
Bob xxxxxxxxxxx

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

Bob... did you review your hand history file?

Edit out the game play (except for the AA hand) and send them the conversation at the table, it may have more impact.

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

[ QUOTE ]

Regarding your query on collusion, we would like to
&gt; inform you that we have gone through their chat
&gt; messages and compared it with their hole cards and
&gt; it indicates there is no collusion. And as far as
&gt; the player discussing his holes cards (AA) in one of
&gt; the hands is concerned he did not have them he was
&gt; just coffee housing.
&gt;

[/ QUOTE ]

bob, you dont seem to understand, he was just coffee housing.

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

Regarding your query on collusion, we would like to
&gt; inform you that we have gone through their chat
&gt; messages and compared it with their hole cards and
&gt; it indicates there is no collusion. And as far as
&gt; the player discussing his holes cards (AA) in one of
&gt; the hands is concerned he did not have them he was
&gt; just coffee housing.
&gt;

[/ QUOTE ]

bob, you dont seem to understand, he was just coffee housing.

[/ QUOTE ]

Enjoy!

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

What were you trying to accomplish with your second email to party? It sounded to me that they handled the situation well. They warned the offending party and revoked his chat privileges. Did you want them to freeze his account or forfit his winnings in the tournament? The guy probably didn't even know what he was doing is wrong, I think any more action by party would have been excessive.

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

[ QUOTE ]
What were you trying to accomplish with your second email to party? It sounded to me that they handled the situation well. They warned the offending party and revoked his chat privileges. Did you want them to freeze his account or forfit his winnings in the tournament? The guy probably didn't even know what he was doing is wrong, I think any more action by party would have been excessive.

[/ QUOTE ]

I remember a simialr circumstance from about a year ago and they revoked the colluders seat and awarded it to the bubble boy. This should be done also in this case.

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

[ QUOTE ]
What were you trying to accomplish with your second email to party? It sounded to me that they handled the situation well. They warned the offending party and revoked his chat privileges. Did you want them to freeze his account or forfit his winnings in the tournament? The guy probably didn't even know what he was doing is wrong, I think any more action by party would have been excessive.

[/ QUOTE ]

Not knowing a rule doesn't mean you aren't bound by the rule. This guy should lose his seat or at least Microbob should be awarded one. Party doesn't lose a dime by giving him a seat.

This is one of those situations where email just won't do. I would give them a call and stay on the phone until I get a satisfactory resolution.

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

So if you're ignorant of the law and don't know that running a red light isn't legal, you clearly shouldn't get a ticket for it, right?

This is horrendous logic.

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

give it up bob

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

[ QUOTE ]
So if you're ignorant of the law and don't know that running a red light isn't legal, you clearly shouldn't get a ticket for it, right?

This is horrendous logic.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think if you are going five over the speed limit you should be let off with a warning.

Frankly I don't think this offence is that bad. What's bad is that party wasn't in hand for hand mode. Telling the table that someone is short stacked and it would be advantageous for everyone to play slow is not clearly colluding. It's on the line. I think that announcing that you have AA is a much clearer violation than trying to get the table to slow down. The fact is that this is an obscure rule if it exists (and I doubt that this is an actual breach of party's TC) and it shouldn't be an issue since hand for hand ought to be in play.

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

Good luck in the fight Bob. They should compensate you in some way for this, as it was their mistake due to hand for hand not being initiated, so be sure to hold them to that.

You may have better luck calling them though. You're just going in circles with support.

Translation: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 

Teacher,Teacher! Bobby's chewing gum!

The expectation of fairness shocks me in it's naivety. You are gambling! Online! In f-ing Gibralter or Curaco! Understand that you are responsible for the level of fairness you get. Think the players are screwing you? Quit or fight on equal terms but don't expect life to be fair.

Re: Translation: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 

[ QUOTE ]
Teacher,Teacher! Bobby's chewing gum!

The expectation of fairness shocks me in it's naivety. You are gambling! Online! In f-ing Gibralter or Curaco! Understand that you are responsible for the level of fairness you get. Think the players are screwing you? Quit or fight on equal terms but don't expect life to be fair.

[/ QUOTE ]

So if I live in a high-crime area patrolled by the LAPD, and I am mugged and robbed, I shouldn't expect a proper criminal investigation?

Weak argument.

Re: Translation: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 

[ QUOTE ]
Think the players are screwing you? Quit or fight on equal terms but don't expect life to be fair.


[/ QUOTE ]

So by your argument, we should accept the inequalities that arise at the table and accept grievous rule breakings? Such as collusion?

By your argument, if we want an equal footing we should adopt the tactics of those that are cheating us? Such as collusion?

Good luck selling your argument dude.

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

Wow that sucks Bob.

I agree with the previous poster that it is Party's fault for not going hand for hand. This is what precipitated the problem.

I also think anyone telling others how to play was violating the rules.

However, lets get on the slippery slope and think about if he had simply stated in chat: "you know we have 7 players at our table and the other table has 6 and its not hand for hand, I wonder, if we were to stall every hand wouldn't it make it more likely that all 7 of us would win" and then take his full clock every time play came to him and show every hand that he simply checks down instead of mucking like QQ, KK, AA, straights, flushes, sets, etc. (as long as he isn't last to act on the river with the nuts) Would that be considered cheating?

What if he simply says "I think I'm going to take my time, wink, wink, hint, hint" and showsdown all his hands? .... What if he leaves out the wink, wink, hint, hint? He is no longer telling others how to play.

Re: Translation: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 

[ QUOTE ]
Teacher,Teacher! Bobby's chewing gum!

The expectation of fairness shocks me in it's naivety. You are gambling! Online! In f-ing Gibralter or Curaco! Understand that you are responsible for the level of fairness you get. Think the players are screwing you? Quit or fight on equal terms but don't expect life to be fair.

[/ QUOTE ]

this is not about life being fair, scuzcheese. it is about collusion and diqualification.

do us all a favor, huh? ---&gt; http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/b0/shot.gif

Re: Translation: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 

"So if I live in a high-crime area patrolled by the LAPD, and I am mugged and robbed, I shouldn't expect a proper criminal investigation?"

LAPD? The same folks that allowed OJ to walk?

Your investigation in Watts will be 1/10 of your investigation in Beverly Hills. Both will be incompetent.

Re: Translation: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 

"By your argument, if we want an equal footing we should adopt the tactics of those that are cheating us?"

You don't read so good, do you? The first option was to QUIT! Don't like the game? F-ing QUIT! Just don't bust my hump about my own choice if it involves leveling the playing field. I won't be crying to Mama.

Re: Translation: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 

[ QUOTE ]
Teacher,Teacher! Bobby's chewing gum!

The expectation of fairness shocks me in it's naivety. You are gambling! Online! In f-ing Gibralter or Curaco! Understand that you are responsible for the level of fairness you get. Think the players are screwing you? Quit or fight on equal terms but don't expect life to be fair.

[/ QUOTE ]

People like you makes the world a worse place. Go away!

Adde

Re: Translation: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 

Why are you reading my posts when it's clear from your responses that you're not reading my posts?

Use IGNORE and save your BP.

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

I think that's an interesting argument.

Conversely, last night I thought, "Well...if party isn't punishing these guys for it....then what if I took the next step and told my table that the other table was conspiring against us and they should all fold around to me to try to help me make the money."

Obviously getting the opponents on my table to agree to fold-around to me when they are trying to win seats would be quite the long-shot.


to be fair...there are a couple of issues I want to elaborate on.

1. There was mostly one short-stack on their table stalling and then there was me on our table stalling. I was specifically stalling because I saw that they had somebody who was doing same.
The person who said "If they want to play that game then we will win because we have 7 players and they have 6" was first trying to figure out that it wasn't hand-for-hand. We thought it wasn't at first.

Here's what happened: It was hand-for-hand with 30 players left.
Then with 20 players left it stopped being hand-for-hand but it took some awhile to realize that.
It was really weird.
Then with 12 players left it went back to hand-for-hand again.

So the original discussion on their table was "stop stalling...it's hand-for-hand you morons" and then somebody else said "no..it isn't anymore."


There was SOME discussion about it on our table too...but it was my opponent saying "Hey...they're all stalling on the other table because it isn't hand-for-hand anymore."

Something like that.

But again....I think that reporting to YOUR table that the OTHER table is openly talking about stalling is different than telling people at your table, "Hey...we should stall to screw those guys over."


It was mostly me and another short-stack at my table..along with the short-stack at their table.


Finally...the person who was leading the charge tried to get everyone to agree to stop stalling.

All of these discussions were very awkward because there was no observer chat. We were discussing it across the tables via our own chat because we knew some people were looking at both tables.

I'm not really whining here imo.
I'm not sure if they would find this to be sufficient to grant me the seat but thought it was worth a shot.

in the end, there was some stalling on both tables and it possibly didn't effect the outcome.


Moreover, I think that openly discussing colluding needs to be taken care of and I've reported some even when it didn't effect me in the least.
Anytime I see someone who is crossing that line I tell them that openly discussing it at the table is inappropriate..and I've reported a couple to support in situations.

I believe this is the first time where I have reported it AND I happened to finish on the bubble.

So I hope that at least sort of proves that this isn't JUST a case of the bubble-boy being bitter (tongue-twister there).


Also - for the person who asked...I can't retrieve the HH with the guy with AA...because it wasn't at my table (it was at the other table) and I didn't mark it down.


1 or 2 months ago I was awarded a $215 refund from an Aussie-Millions qualiifer entry that I never expected to receive.
I was really happy with how they handled that one (no colluding going on in that one...they just entered me in the next day's qualifier after I unregistered from one but I didn't know it so I got blinded away...and they gave me a refund).



Anyway...here's the most recent response from them. It would appear there will be no refund for me on this one. I may still call though...but have just sent them another e-mail for now:


-----------------------------------



Dear Bob,

Thank you for contacting us.

Thank you for bringing this to our notice. We do see that the player
has been announcing how the rest have to play. We agree that this is
against the established Poker Etiquette and amounts to violation of the
same.

Based on your report and subsequent investigation, we have,

1) Sent him a warning letter, stating that such actions are not
encouraged in this card room and further action might be initiated if similar
actions are repeated.
2) Flagged his account to periodically review the player?s activities.

Bob, we thank you for bringing this to our notice, as this is in
keeping with our priority of keeping up the integrity of this card room and
the fairness of our games. It indeed is heartening to have players like
you in this card room who care about the integrity of our games.

Contact us anytime, we are available around the clock to assist you
with your account related questions and suggestions.


Sincerely,

Ravi
Investigations Team



-------------------------------



I see that you are taking some action against the offending player.
but this is more than just 'established poker etiquette' that he broke.
It is clearly against the rules and is colluding.


So you are letting a player who colluded BENEFIT from his action by allowing him to keep the seat.
What about those who were affected by his actions in the tournament?

It is not fair that I am playing by the rules and that he is going out of his way to get the whole table to 'team up'.
It is clearly colluding.

What if I tried to get my table to team-up against them to counter their collusion?
I did not do this but I could have.
Instead, I chose to play within the rules.

I am deserving of some compensation in this matter.

Should I take more significant steps next time such as trying to convince my table to fold the blinds to me so that the other table doesn't "get their way"?
I didn't do that because it is collusion and is against the rules.

I look forward to your response.

Thank you,
Bob

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

Good luck Bob...

Sounds like a SnG sub-qualifier I was playing for the Party Millions Cruise. Top 2 got tickets to the next round while 3rd place got a couple pity bucks.

With 3 of us left, the 2 other players (who either knew each other or all of a sudden got really friendly with each other) kept colluding in the chat as to who had the best hand to go all-in against me to knock me out. Eventually it worked as they kept blinding me away and eventually I had to take a shot and lost, I reported it to Party and got the same lame "we warned them" response.

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

"I'm not really whining here imo.
I'm not sure if they would find this to be sufficient to grant me the seat but thought it was worth a shot."

The operative phrase here is 'a shot'. It's angle shooting from the moral high ground. Good luck. That is clearly within anyone's moral framework.

Just don't expect a fair game. Your responsibility is to only play in games where you find a square deal.

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

Also - neglected to mention...Thanks for the support everyone....as well as some of the constructive ideas and criticisms.

I know these long e-mail conversations are a lot to read but it seems quite a few of you out there actually found this situation to be fairly interesting.


Again, I don't think it's completely a situation where "I got screwed" and I should just 'not rest until they give me the seat'.
I just don't think that is realistic nor appropriate.

But I'm not giving up entirely on it either...mostly because I have no life and it's a fun way to kill time while multi-tabling.


I would like them to give me the seat of course...if only as a show of good faith.
and I think it would be appropriate in this matter....but it is also worth noting that I might very well have finished on the bubble regardless.


Anyway, thanks again for the support and the ideas.

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

[ QUOTE ]
But I'm not giving up entirely on it either...mostly because I have no life and it's a fun way to kill time while multi-tabling.


[/ QUOTE ]

lol Bob you're too much.... and all of it good

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

[ QUOTE ]
It's angle shooting from the moral high ground.

[/ QUOTE ]

most ignorant comment i have read all day.

ZZZZZZZ

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

I played in a tournament last night, and when we got down close to the bubble (on Party), not only did the short stacks stall, but even the two players that had 50K in chips did. JEEZ, it took frkin forever, and then, the software went into the "hand for hand" crap when we still needed to lose 8 players...............

this all made the tournament last at least an extra 45 minutes.

It's getting to where I hate playing these things, and probably half the players are wondering why I am raising/folding immediately each hand. The worst part is if you are shortstacked, you never get to see any hands. I saw 13 hands while the blinds increased twice.

Dogmeat [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Re: Translation: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 

[ QUOTE ]
"So if I live in a high-crime area patrolled by the LAPD, and I am mugged and robbed, I shouldn't expect a proper criminal investigation?"

LAPD? The same folks that allowed OJ to walk?



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Gee, I seem to remember that OJ went to trial - a jury let him walk.

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I'm guessing you're too young to remember. The LAPD was put on trial and found guilty of racism.

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

Just had QQ and thought of you.

Enjoy!

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

Bob,

I remember something about you stalling in one of the big Party sunday's. You even got your table to "help" you stall, regardless of whether they did it on their own because they wanted to help you make the money, regardless if it was a much larger tourney involving 20+ tables at the time and not as "organized" as this one, it's the same thing.

Sucks to be on the losing end?

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

I was stalling in this one too.
But i did not encourage anyone to stall with me in that one when I was trying to make the money.
A couple of them started pulling for me and started stalling on their own.

I did NOTHING along the lines of "hey...you guys wanna help me out or what?" or anything like that.


The issue is not regarding the stalling.
It is about openly discussing a strategy at the table in efforts to improve all of their chances.


For someone to say "we should all stall because then we can all make it" is a form of collusion.

Re: Encouraging your table to stall in a tourney (long....as usual)
 

BS like this is part of the reason Party gives poor responses to legitimate emails. In your intial emails you didn't even provide the relevant hand histories to support your claims, nor were you 100% certain the action went down like you said. Then, when they give you a very reasonable response, you keep badgering them over and over and over.

You're being unrealistic and plain greedy asking for an entry. If you were on such a short stack that slowplaying disadvantaged you that much, you had the worst odds of anyone there for making the cut. Also, playing slowly and extremely tightly is common on the bubble, especially for such a big prize as this with guaranteed places. Although the chatter should be warned, I doubt the chat made much difference. Your only legitimate beef is the AA hand, which again only deserves a warning for a first offence and certainly not disqualification. You aren't even sure this hand took place:

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fwiw - I could have sworn the guy showed the table his AA...and I think it's possible that this rep looked up the wrong hand-number to look at his hole-cards....but I couldn't swear to it

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"By your argument, if we want an equal footing we should adopt the tactics of those that are cheating us?"

You don't read so good, do you? The first option was to QUIT! Don't like the game? F-ing QUIT! Just don't bust my hump about my own choice if it involves leveling the playing field. I won't be crying to Mama.

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He's just adorable isn't he?