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Danenania 08-26-2005 01:54 AM

77 Say When
 
MP is laggy preflop and loose passive postflop. Button's numbers are 28/12/1.5. No read on him past those not particularly impressive numbers.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, MP calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, MP calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

How was my line and what's my river plan?

08-26-2005 02:02 AM

Re: 77 Say When
 
I like the line to this point, I think I bet/call the river

ALL1N 08-26-2005 02:03 AM

Re: 77 Say When
 
Line is good (preflop call iffy).

Check-call the river: 18 combos of AQ, 12 combos of a higher set --&gt; you're only ahead 60%, which is not enough to checkraise (I think it's safe to assume from the numbers that A9 is not possible).

Danenania 08-26-2005 02:04 AM

Re: 77 Say When
 
But are the sets really equally likely given his flop raise?

ALL1N 08-26-2005 02:07 AM

Re: 77 Say When
 
More maths! If he slowplays his sets 25% of the time then checkraising could be right, but who says he won't slowplay AQ too (or raise the flop with QQ)?

cartman 08-26-2005 02:18 AM

Re: 77 Say When
 
I am probably misunderstanding something, but aren't there only 3*3=9 combos of AQ?

Thanks,
Cartman

Danenania 08-26-2005 02:18 AM

Re: 77 Say When
 
And you really think PF is iffy? I've been calling with any PP's in this spot for awhile now. Is this way too loose?

ALL1N 08-26-2005 02:23 AM

Re: 77 Say When
 
[ QUOTE ]
I am probably misunderstanding something, but aren't there only 3*3=9 combos of AQ?

Thanks,
Cartman

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Sorry, wrong word. There are 18 permutations of AQ, because it can be dealt ace first or queen first.

AQ = (6 first cards) x (3 second cards) = 18
AA = (3 first cards) x (2 second cards) = 6

ALL1N 08-26-2005 02:25 AM

Re: 77 Say When
 
[ QUOTE ]
And you really think PF is iffy? I've been calling with any PP's in this spot for awhile now. Is this way too loose?

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Nah, calling here would usually be right, but the button's pfr is just too low, IMO.

sthief09 08-26-2005 02:31 AM

Re: 77 Say When
 
[ QUOTE ]
And you really think PF is iffy? I've been calling with any PP's in this spot for awhile now. Is this way too loose?

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yeah, the 3-bettor has a 12 PFR. that's pretty much AA-TT, AK/AQ. your implied odds aren't remotely close enough to play it for that and I doubt there's much value in playing it for pair value


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