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12-19-2005 05:12 PM

NL200 Flush push
 
Longtime lurker, first time poster... Please be kind!

NL200 @ Party

Villian: Decent player. He has done anything to shock me. Only been at the table for about 30 minutes but I had only seen him play from the blinds, button and CO. Him raising from UTG+1 made me think high pair, AK or AQs.

UTG+1: $220 (Villian)
UTG+2: $350
SB: $175
BB: $150 (Hero)

Villian opens for $6
UTG2 calls
SB calls
Hero calls w/A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Flop: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (Pot=$24)
SB checks, Hero checks, Villian bets $25, 2 folds, Hero pushes all-in for $142.

I see it as a push or fold situation. Villian bet pot so I put him on an overpair or a set of 9's. He likes his hand and doesn't want to give anyone the odds to draw.

So...

1) Good push? I hate calling here because if my flush does come then I won't get paid for hitting it. With my push, it pretty much tells him that I at least have the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or possibly a made flush / low set.

2) Do you call in his situation with an overpair or a set?

12-19-2005 05:57 PM

Re: NL200 Flush push
 
Before I put my all my chips at risk on a draw, I always ask myself "how much am i willing to lose?". If the answer is everything, I would at least give myself a chance to outplay the other person. I would of minraised him to $50 and see what he did. If you miss on the turn and he bet, then well, i guess you have to push since you were willing to risk it after the flop anyway.

ahnuld 12-19-2005 06:00 PM

Re: NL200 Flush push
 
lead, 3 bet allin. Its alot more natural.

Your line is good as lon as you do with with sets and made flushes and top 2. It works better though on 2 flsuh card boards. I do it alot with sets and flush draws, good for the image

emil3000 12-19-2005 06:22 PM

Re: NL200 Flush push
 
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lead, 3 bet allin. Its alot more natural.

Your line is good as lon as you do with with sets and made flushes and top 2. It works better though on 2 flsuh card boards. I do it alot with sets and flush draws, good for the image

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Given stack sizes I think checkraise is better.

ahnuld 12-19-2005 06:37 PM

Re: NL200 Flush push
 
Hero leads for 15, villan makes it 65, hero push 100 more. 10 times better.

yvesaint 12-19-2005 06:38 PM

Re: NL200 Flush push
 
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Hero leads for 15, villan makes it 65, hero push 100 more. 10 times better.

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hero only has 150 ...

emil3000 12-19-2005 06:39 PM

Re: NL200 Flush push
 
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Hero leads for 15, villan makes it 65, hero push 100 more. 10 times better.

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Disagree, villain is too committed.

Hero only has 150 to start with.

Jerkass333 12-19-2005 07:10 PM

Re: NL200 Flush push
 
Is this really a good call preflop given the range you put him on?

12-19-2005 07:31 PM

Re: NL200 Flush push
 
Not 10 times better. Hero isnt looking for a call, he makes his money when the villan folds. C/r line gets this done better than 3 bet. The 3 bet commits the villan w/ the stack sizes.

Still a fold pf.

12-19-2005 07:42 PM

Re: NL200 Flush push
 
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Is this really a good call preflop given the range you put him on?

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No. It was a fairly loose call looking back at it. I made the odd call like this sometimes because I know that I'm perfectly fine laying down a pair of aces. I'd need 2 pair or better to continue post flop.


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