a \"mildly interesting\" 98o hand
 

9/18 Commerce loooose and passive, just how cdc likes his women

3 limpers, sb completes, i check 98o in the BB (5SB)

Flop is Q84r
i bet, everyone calls (5BB)

Turn board is Q848r
i bet, EP calls, LP raises, i call, EP now 3-bets, LP calls, i call (14BB)

I plan to:
c/r a 9 on the river
c/c a 4 river
b/f a Q river
c/f anything else

Re: a \"mildly interesting\" 98o hand
 

you called 2 cold with the intention of folding unless you hit one of 8 unknown cards, several of which are likely to be in other people's hands and the 3 queens arent really good for you. if you completely discount another player having an 8, you're getting 6-1 on the turn call have 7 outs of 46 unseen to take down the pot with decent implied odds. it seems like a marginal decision and i might fold simply because anything but the case 8 can get expensive. in a very loose passive game i think it's an EV neutral call.

Re: a \"mildly interesting\" 98o hand
 

If they're that passive that you feel you can fold a river blank, I think you should bet out on a Q. But you could probably still check/fold if a 4 hits. Personally, I'd make a crying call for one bet here though on about any river. The pot is huge. And loose passive players I've seen play AA/KK as EP has here.

Re: a \"mildly interesting\" 98o hand
 

hey nbanker, I called 2 bets one at a time on the turn. My bad if the turn action is hard to read.

Re: a \"mildly interesting\" 98o hand
 

Oops, I meant to say bet/fold on a Q, I'll edit my post now.

Re: a \"mildly interesting\" 98o hand
 

What do you put EP on? I'm not convinced he'd never play an 8 lower-kicker like this enough to muck the river for one bet. The call/3-bet on the turn from the loose-passive is super scary though.

Re: a \"mildly interesting\" 98o hand
 

I think I check/call one bet on the river and fold to two bets. Closing the action with trips in a 16bb pot I'm making a crying call here.

Re: a \"mildly interesting\" 98o hand
 

Yeah, and I do agree with c/c if the 4 hits. I think we have the two opponents on the same hands here but a 4 would obviously make one of them unlikely enough to make the call I guess. So I can't argue. On the other hand, if there's enough of a chance of a naked Q or AA/KK from either opponent to c/c a 4 then I would argue that you shouldn't be folding this river under any circumstances unless a Q falls.

Re: a \"mildly interesting\" 98o hand
 

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Yeah, and I do agree with c/c if the 4 hits. I think we have the two opponents on the same hands here but a 4 would obviously make one of them unlikely enough to make the call I guess. So I can't argue. On the other hand, if there's enough of a chance of a naked Q or AA/KK from either opponent to c/c a 4 then I would argue that you shouldn't be folding this river under any circumstances unless a Q falls.

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Wow, looks like I didn't think the hand through enough. I changed my mind, I should be check/folding a 4 but bet/folding a Q.

Re: a \"mildly interesting\" 98o hand
 

you're putting him on precisely a set of 4s? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]