Am I so bad I can\'t even play KK?
 

OK, in a recent session on Party at .5/1 I had KK three times in 67 hands. Please take a look and tell me if there was something I missed. On the one I took down, I had put the last caller on basically what he had. The other two I was not expecting.

hand 1

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds, CO calls, SB calls, BB folds.

River: (10.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has As Ac (full house, aces full of queens).
Hero has Kc Ks (full house, kings full of queens).
CO has Kh Jd (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: SB wins 16.50 BB. </font>


-I put the guy on Qx or at best AQ. There was NO WAY he could have ... DOH!

Hand 2:

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, Button folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ks Kc (two pair, kings and eights).
MP2 has 8s 8c (four of a kind, eights).
Outcome: MP2 wins 10.25 BB. </font>



And Finaly.. hand 3:
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (21 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (14 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds.

River: (18 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, UTG folds, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 20 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Kd Kh (one pair, kings).
Button has Ah Qc (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 20 BB. </font>

I feel like everytime I get a decent hand that I want to raise for value, I am in middle or late position and it is checked to me with two or less limpers behind me. The same thing with the hands I want to protect. I can never seem to get a raise from the right when I have a hand that needs protecting. I generally bet out, but Lord knows you are not getting anyone to fold for a single bet no matter how bad their holding. Anyway, please help me out. I have very incosistent results. I will have two losing sessions and them make the losses back in a third session. Having played 18 sessions at Party, I am up about twenty bucks (not including the $50 deposit bonus). as an aside.. the whole "remove 'texas'" from the hand converter is a pain. I kept trying different things until I remebered seeing that.

Thanks in advance,

William

Re: Am I so bad I can\'t even play KK?
 

Hand 1 is fine, Hand 2 you played too passively on the flop, Hand 3 is fine.

Don't post results.

Re: Am I so bad I can\'t even play KK?
 

Hand 1 - SB saved you money
Hand 2 - 3bet flop, it happens
Hand 3 - Perfectly fine and you won, why complain?

Re: Am I so bad I can\'t even play KK?
 

Be lucky you didn't lose a whole lot more in hand #1.

Hand #2, you need to 3 bet the flop, either that or stop and go on a non-turn diamond

Hand 3 is standard

Re: Am I so bad I can\'t even play KK?
 

Hand 1 is perfect. Be happy your opponent is a complete moron cause you should have lost a lot more on that hand.

Hand 2 - 3bet the flop. You can't slow down to one raise here. This can be any pair, a draw, or overcards taking a shot at it hoping you have missed overcards. Then go from there.

Hand 3 is perfect.


Don't post results

Re: Am I so bad I can\'t even play KK?
 

By my count you profitted 7 BB on these 3 hands collectively. Seems pretty good to me.

You played the first hand well. AA played so bad you should put him on your buddy list.

You MIGHT find a fold in the second hand with and A on the board. Read dependant.

Third hand also looks fine to me.

You kings will get cracked more than they hold up in multiway pots. It's a fact of life. But they will win more than thier fair share. And you did. In just 3 hands. Play for the long run and don't worry when your big pairs fail.

Get in 10K-20K hands and then look at your winnings for AA and KK.

The other players in all these hands played very poorly.

Re: Am I so bad I can\'t even play KK?
 

If hand #1 were at Crypto (where there is no cap on river raises heads up) the SB could have gotten my house (if CO folded) if he wanted it because there is absolutely no way to put him on AA up to the river.

Re: Am I so bad I can\'t even play KK?
 

ok, I see I should have 3 bet the flop on hand 2. What would you put him on if you see him cap it? I doubt that he would have though. Not much agression at these tables. It seemed like I was right to slow down because he freaking came up with quads. I do not know if I could have pushed him of of his set.

Also, as to the AA in hand one, In a later session (things get really wierd about 11 cst) I watched three guys at my table NOT bet their AA. They took the pot in each hand and had to know they had the best of it. They would not bet out until the river. Really hard to put people on anything when there is no agression at all... I lost lots (to me) with top pair to a straight etc... Everytime I would catch a decent hand and push, they would call and then show something insane.

...and I won't post the result anymore.

Re: Am I so bad I can\'t even play KK?
 

hand1: you bet/raised all oportunities, and lost 3.5BB to an overset, SB is a terrible player, you could have lost a lot more

hand 2: 3bet flop

hand 3: good

its not an invincible hand, its very good, but it does lose, and fairly often

Re: Am I so bad I can\'t even play KK?
 

</font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr />
Hand 1 - SB saved you money
Hand 2 - 3bet flop, it happens
Hand 3 - Perfectly fine and you won, why complain?

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hand 1 you got really lucky. you should have capped the river, after he should have 3 bet you. he should have taken more $ from you on the flop and turn as well.