20-40: Ooodles of potential dead money out there
 

20-40. New player posts $20 in between the button and the SB. I am also new and post $20 in the Cutoff. 3.5sbs in the pot before the hand starts.

Weak player open limps in MP. Unknown on my immediate right raises. I look down and see KsQd, all those lovely single bets in the middle of the table and 3-bet.

Re: 20-40: Ooodles of potential dead money out there
 

Clarkmeister,

If you hadn't posted your own blind this is only a slightly reckless three bet with normal blinds. You can't fold so with two extra big blinds three betting just has to be better than calling. I'd also be prepared to take one off on the flop if it comes undercards.

~ Rick

Re: 20-40: Ooodles of potential dead money out there
 

I like it. Did you post this because you think there's some reason you shouldn't have 3-bet?

Re: 20-40: Ooodles of potential dead money out there
 

I just wanted to see if anyone thought it was even close. You like it so it must not be, considering that in my one session with you I saw you play like 1 hand in 2 hours. [img]/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

Re: 20-40: Ooodles of potential dead money out there
 

Your certainly not going to fold with all this dead money
and the guy on your right probably raising it light. Hell,
if you're going to play the hand putting in three bets and
taking the initiative has to be the best way to play the hand.

Bruce

Re: 20-40: Ooodles of potential dead money out there
 

I feel it is always a mistake to open limp in a pot with all that money in it to start. Raise or muck it. Back to subject: I like your 3-bet, most likely correct given your post. You get the initative and a great image if anyone sees your hand.

question....
 

do you think it is possible to be a winning poker player and yet routinely fold to the raise in this situation?

your friend, tighty mcwhitey... (who knows if he tried this he would likely just be starting off his session stuck 200 bucks or so)

Agree
 

I agree; this play would seem almost automatic to me, unless you know something about the raiser that you haven't shared.

Re: Agree
 

"unless you know something about the raiser that you haven't shared."

that's just it, the raiser is "unknown", and i am more willing that most i guess to give him credit for a hand until i know more.

one way to find out more is to sit patiently and watch the proceedings until your big blind rolls around...which is pure torture for most folks but i can endure it...

Re: 20-40: Ooodles of potential dead money out there
 

"I feel it is always a mistake to open limp in a pot with all that money in it to start."

I don't quite agree. One reason for open raising is having a chance at stealing the blinds or getting it heads up with your good heads-up hand. Some hands are now going to have to be folded ( e.g weak aces ) and others may be better to limp with (9-10s), while still raising with your good and better hands.

D.