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Spicymoose

11-24-2005 08:51 AM

Re: A Spicy One?

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6 combos of kk or jj.

6 combos of ak.

1 combo of aa.

check and call the riv.

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This, to me, is a good argument to call the turn and checkraise the river.

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the times we're ahead on the river we win 2bb if we c/r.
the times we're behind (to kk/jj) we lose 2bb if we c/r.

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fyp

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Plus we get an extra half the pot the times he has AA (sometimes).

flawless_victory

11-24-2005 08:54 AM

Re: A Spicy One?

sfer	11-24-2005 03:39 PM

Re: A Spicy One?

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if anything,it seems like u should lead the river in case he wants a free SD (but is stupid enough to call)... if he bets the river in pos, seems like youre not even a fav to have the best hand.

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If you think AK isn't betting the river you're nuts.

flawless_victory

11-24-2005 03:42 PM

Re: A Spicy One?

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if anything,it seems like u should lead the river in case he wants a free SD (but is stupid enough to call)... if he bets the river in pos, seems like youre not even a fav to have the best hand.

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If you think AK isn't betting the river you're nuts.

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i think AK bets this river nearly 100% of the time and if you didnt understand what i said, that isnt my fault.

Spicymoose

11-24-2005 03:44 PM

Re: A Spicy One?

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6 combos of kk or jj.

6 combos of ak.

1 combo of aa.

check and call the riv.

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This, to me, is a good argument to call the turn and checkraise the river.

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the times we're ahead on the river we win 2bb if we c/r.
the times we're behind (to kk/jj) we lose 2bb if we c/r.

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fyp

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Plus INCORRECTLY FOLD, AND LOSE OUR half the pot the times he has AA (sometimes).

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yeah.

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Sure, that happens too, but I think my situation happens more.

flawless_victory

11-24-2005 03:47 PM

Re: A Spicy One?

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6 combos of kk or jj.

6 combos of ak.

1 combo of aa.

check and call the riv.

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This, to me, is a good argument to call the turn and checkraise the river.

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the times we're ahead on the river we win 2bb if we c/r.
the times we're behind (to kk/jj) we lose 2bb if we c/r.

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fyp

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Plus INCORRECTLY FOLD, AND LOSE OUR half the pot the times he has AA (sometimes).

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yeah.

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Sure, that happens too, but I think my situation happens more.

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i am absolutely certain u are wrong here.

Spicymoose

11-24-2005 03:51 PM

Re: A Spicy One?

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6 combos of kk or jj.

6 combos of ak.

1 combo of aa.

check and call the riv.

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This, to me, is a good argument to call the turn and checkraise the river.

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the times we're ahead on the river we win 2bb if we c/r.
the times we're behind (to kk/jj) we lose 2bb if we c/r.

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fyp

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Plus INCORRECTLY FOLD, AND LOSE OUR half the pot the times he has AA (sometimes).

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yeah.

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Sure, that happens too, but I think my situation happens more.

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i am absolutely certain u are wrong here.

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Meh, I just looked back over the hand and you are right. Why do you always have to be right!

sthief09

11-24-2005 03:52 PM

Re: A Spicy One?

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6 combos of kk or jj.

6 combos of ak.

1 combo of aa.

check and call the riv.

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This, to me, is a good argument to call the turn and checkraise the river.

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the times we're ahead on the river we win 2bb if we c/r.
the times we're behind (to kk/jj) we lose 2bb if we c/r.

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fyp

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heres what i dont understand, and i'd like you to explain...

we are ahead about 50% of the time. the times we are behind, he will 3bet and we will fold. don't you think there's the slightest chance that he 3bets AK on the river, making your move -EV? it seems even EV at best here too...please explain

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in addition its just unneded variance.

BUT i think there are 2 hands that are very possible that no one mentioned. KQ and KJ. i wouldnt be surprised in the least if KQ caps preflop. BUT again, id imagine us folding a big pot probably makes check-call best

jt1	11-24-2005 03:55 PM

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BUT i think there are 2 hands that are very possible that no one mentioned. KQ and KJ. i wouldnt be surprised in the least if KQ caps preflop.

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I think KJ will cap just as often as KQ. And I implied that villian could have KJ.

Are you going to post the results?

sthief09

11-24-2005 03:59 PM

Re: A Spicy One?

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if anything,it seems like u should lead the river in case he wants a free SD (but is stupid enough to call)... if he bets the river in pos, seems like youre not even a fav to have the best hand.

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If you think AK isn't betting the river you're nuts.

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i think AK bets this river nearly 100% of the time and if you didnt understand what i said, that isnt my fault.

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i dont think theres enough bluffing or aggression going on at 5/10 where the better players need to adapt strategies like raising the turn for a free showdown with AJ or even AQ (not that either play would necessarily be good, and raising AQ would be horrid, but you see what im getting at i hope)

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