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TheMetetron 12-26-2005 03:21 AM

-400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
Yeah, I'm that good. Graph to follow.

Escape 12-26-2005 03:28 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
Do it!

jba 12-26-2005 03:28 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
insert ass pain joke

jman220 12-26-2005 03:34 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
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Yeah, I'm that good. Graph to follow.

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You forget to mention it was while 10-tabling on a short roll with no sleep.

uncleshady 12-26-2005 03:35 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
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You forget to mention it was while 10-tabling on a short roll with no sleep.

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Green Valley gangsters dont need no stinking sleep.

TheMetetron 12-26-2005 03:37 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
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Yeah, I'm that good. Graph to follow.

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You forget to mention it was while 10-tabling on a short roll with no sleep.

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My roll isn't short. Just the amount I had on Party after losing $6,000 (now $8k) (I had about $12k before the downswing on Party).

TheMetetron 12-26-2005 04:03 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/967/graph1wn.gif

Escape 12-26-2005 04:06 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
Im scared :'( Did you play 8k hands in two days? Thats IN_S_AN_E

TheMetetron 12-26-2005 04:13 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
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Im scared :'( Did you play 8k hands in two days? Thats IN_S_AN_E

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Actually all 23k hands are in 2 days.

tongni 12-26-2005 04:18 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
A little bit of tilt, a little bit of burnout, and all of a sudden your 0.5 bb/100 winrate 10 tabling or 8 tabling 6m is now -1. There's a reason why nobody 10 tables those games.

kurosh 12-26-2005 04:20 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
The correct move now would be to concentrate your tilt into anger, then move up in limits to make up what you have lost. Please see my thread to see the good results of others.

TheMetetron 12-26-2005 04:21 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
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A little bit of tilt, a little bit of burnout, and all of a sudden your 1.5 bb/100 winrate 10 tabling or 8 tabling 6m is now -1. There's a reason why nobody 10 tables those games.

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FYP.

I'm about 2.25-2.75 at 4 tables and have routinely played 8 for well over 2 months. I imagine I'm not dropping below 1.5 at 10.

TheMetetron 12-26-2005 04:21 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
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The correct move now would be to concentrate your tilt into anger, then move up in limits to make up what you have lost. Please see my thread to see the good results of others.

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Haha, I'll give it a try [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

TheMetetron 12-26-2005 04:23 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
By the way, I've decided at least part of it is timing out because of overlap (I have 2400 horizontal pixels in 1900 pixels of space on my 2405FPW).

tongni 12-26-2005 04:27 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
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I imagine I'm not dropping below 1.5 at 10.

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hahahahahahaha. Unfortunately, multitabling does not work like that. The jump from 1 to 2 tables is less difficult than the jump from 8 to 9 tables. Realisticly, your winrate is 1.0 BB at max, and probably less 10 tabling.

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The correct move now would be to concentrate your tilt into anger, then move up in limits to make up what you have lost. Please see my thread to see the good results of others.


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You are wise beyond your years.

TheMetetron 12-26-2005 04:28 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
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I imagine I'm not dropping below 1.5 at 10.

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hahahahahahaha. Unfortunately, multitabling does not work like that. The jump from 1 to 2 tables is less difficult than the jump from 8 to 9 tables. Realisticly, your winrate is 1.0 BB at max, and probably less 10 tabling.

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I 8-tabled 5/10 for over 100k hands and my winrate dropped .75 BB/100 from about 150k playing 4 tables.


Edit: Actually, I agree with your 1 BB/100 10-tabling estimate.

ggbman 12-26-2005 04:29 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
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A little bit of tilt, a little bit of burnout, and all of a sudden your 1.5 bb/100 winrate 10 tabling or 8 tabling 6m is now -1. There's a reason why nobody 10 tables those games.

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FYP.

I'm about 2.25-2.75 at 4 tables and have routinely played 8 for well over 2 months. I imagine I'm not dropping below 1.5 at 10.

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Hopefully you dont take offense here, but you either over-estimate your abilities or are phased less by multi-tabling than anyone i have ever met or spoke to. 10 tables of 6 max is A LOT, especially since they arent always 6 handed.

Dave Mac 12-26-2005 04:30 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
you may not agree, but if you really played 23k hands in 2 days the ahhh that is a huge part of the downswing....the good news is 23k hands is liek 2500 in rb(or around there) so that disapates the swing.
gl
dave

TheMetetron 12-26-2005 04:30 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
Yeah, I revised my estimate. I'd guess about 1 BB/100 long-term 10 tabling. I'm really, really used to 8-tabling 6max though.

TheMetetron 12-26-2005 04:31 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
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you may not agree, but if you really played 23k hands in 2 days the ahhh that is a huge part of the downswing....the good news is 23k hands is liek 2500 in rb(or around there) so that disapates the swing.
gl
dave

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I think fatigue is the biggest factor here. I see myself making dumb mistakes or even misclicks I like never make and thinking 2 seconds later, "wtf did I just do?"

TheMetetron 12-26-2005 04:32 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
Also, I've upswing about 100 BB since I made this graph post, so I'm feeling slightly better. Hopefully, it over.

Dave Mac 12-26-2005 04:42 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
yeah dude, i play at [censored] times and things like that a being tierd/worn out from playing or whatever is a form of tilt, you are not playing like you should. it is painful and i don't really do it but you should realyl quick when you are stuck and tierd, like really really should, you will get unstuck and play a million times better in the morning.
dave

TheMetetron 12-26-2005 04:44 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
Must win cruise.

Or I would.

tongni 12-26-2005 04:45 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
So your browsing 2+2 and 10 tabling? LOL

TheMetetron 12-26-2005 04:48 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
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So your browsing 2+2 and 10 tabling? LOL

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I'm taking a break now and I've only been 4-tabling for the last hour.

Escape 12-26-2005 08:13 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
YOU ARE MY HERO!!!!!!!! 23k hands in 2 days
<3<3<3<3

Forever yours
Escape

TheMetetron 12-26-2005 08:15 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
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So your browsing 2+2 and 10 tabling? LOL

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Actually, now I am. Thought you'd appreciate it.

krishanleong 12-26-2005 09:29 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
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Yeah, I revised my estimate. I'd guess about 1 BB/100 long-term 10 tabling. I'm really, really used to 8-tabling 6max though.

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As someone who has multitabled a lot, I think most people underestimate just how well you can play tons of tables. The problem is if you are comfy with 8, moving to 10 requires quite a bit of time to adjust. I'd say being tired is more of a factor in your graph than the extra 2 tables, but moving to an extra 2 tables while tired was a bad idea.

Krishan

disjunction 12-26-2005 11:59 AM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
If you're 10-tabling, a downswing results not just from a bad run of cards, but also a bad run of **tables**. You may want to randomly close and open a couple of tables. Or leave instead of rebuying a table.

Better yet would be to play less tables when you are losing and more tables when you are winning, but the first part of that statement is easier said than done.

jman220 12-26-2005 12:15 PM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
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If you're 10-tabling, a downswing results not just from a bad run of cards, but also a bad run of **tables**. You may want to randomly close and open a couple of tables. Or leave instead of rebuying a table.

Better yet would be to play less tables when you are losing and more tables when you are winning, but the first part of that statement is easier said than done.

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Come Again? I hope you mean bad run of tables in terms of tables becoming too tight and you not having enough time to find a new one, and not in terms of luck....

NLSoldier 12-26-2005 12:34 PM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
only 400 to go and you can be in my super exclusive club! GL, Im rooting for you!

Digs 12-26-2005 12:37 PM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
I did 400!

and all I really want is a measly 300BB chip

/glare pokerbob?

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but jfc 23k in 2 days, merry [censored] christmas lol

disjunction 12-26-2005 02:06 PM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
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If you're 10-tabling, a downswing results not just from a bad run of cards, but also a bad run of **tables**.

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Come Again? I hope you mean bad run of tables in terms of tables becoming too tight and you not having enough time to find a new one, and not in terms of luck....

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Come on now, I'll let you answer that question for yourself. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I'm sure he's +EV at almost every table he plays. But some situations may be close to 0 EV. When I first moved up to 10/20, I ran superhot, and added more tables (ok, 3 tables) until eventually I hit bump in the road. Just enough to make me wonder what I was doing wrong. Especially since my opponents seemed suckier than ever. What I realized was that my "autopilot" plays were absolutely terrible provided that there was a fish to my left and I hadn't identified him as a fish yet. Others may have different weaknesses in their default plays.

Now, three tables is few enough where the solution is "pay attention, stupid". But I can only imagine ten tables. If (I emphasize *if*) the OP is not interested in getting player reads, one solution that works with a high probability would be merely to leave the tables where he's losing, because these are more likely to be tables where he doesn't have a big advantage.

Oh yeah, and certain tables whose digits add up to prime numbers are unlucky, and Party is rigged.

augie00 12-26-2005 03:49 PM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
I have a bit of experience 10 tabling 6max games, and it's my honest opinion that nobody can have a significant edge 10 tabling 10/20 6max. 400BB downswings should be the regular for someone playing a tremendous number of hours 10 tabling a game like that. It's just too frantic. You might be a winner, but you're gonna have to be riding some mighty big waves.

flair1239 12-26-2005 09:04 PM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
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Yeah, I revised my estimate. I'd guess about 1 BB/100 long-term 10 tabling. I'm really, really used to 8-tabling 6max though.

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As someone who has multitabled a lot, I think most people underestimate just how well you can play tons of tables. The problem is if you are comfy with 8, moving to 10 requires quite a bit of time to adjust. I'd say being tired is more of a factor in your graph than the extra 2 tables, but moving to an extra 2 tables while tired was a bad idea.

Krishan

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Why would anyone intentionally subject themselves to the hell of being a 1BB/100 player?

Digs 12-26-2005 11:31 PM

Re: -400 Big Bet Downswing at $10/20 6max in 2 days
 
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Why would anyone intentionally subject themselves to the hell of being a 1BB/100 player?

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The dude wants a cruise~


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