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tjh 08-27-2005 02:58 AM

Party 22, KK turns into flush draw, level 1
 
This hand played out rather strangely. My pair of Kings turned into a nut flush draw and I was getting pot odds to call. Not that I play for pot odds for a substantial portion of my stack at level one but it seemed like I could risk a few hundred and still survive. Am I a fool ?? Was I on tilt cause the A ruined my K's.. You be the judge.

How was the preflop raise ?
The call on the flop ?
The call on the turn ?
SHould I have bet the river ? I used the "do not raise if the only hand that calls will have you beat". I guess the Ace might call but the flush would also call. At that point I wanted to risk no more of my stack this early.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (8 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t260)
MP1 (t940)
MP2 (t830)
Hero (t775)
Button (t530)
SB (t2515)
BB (t1790)
UTG (t360)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t15, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t90</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls t80, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls t75.

Flop: (t300) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets t75</font>, Hero calls t75, SB folds.

Turn: (t450) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets t100</font>, Hero calls t100.

River: (t650) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t650

Chaostracize 08-27-2005 03:01 AM

Re: Party 22, KK turns into flush draw, level 1
 
Value bet the river. 250 looks good.

tjh 08-27-2005 03:09 AM

Re: Party 22, KK turns into flush draw, level 1
 
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Value bet the river. 250 looks good.

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That would leave me with 225 chips if I am beaten by the flush. Are you confident that he does not have the flush here?

I thought I had the best hand but by checking the river I could survive with a workable stack. Valuebetting would pot commit me.

lastchance 08-27-2005 03:12 AM

Re: Party 22, KK turns into flush draw, level 1
 
Why not raise the flop? It may seem odd, but by raising flop, you can buy a free card on the turn with FE, and fold to more resistance.

Of course, raising does leave you with little behind, so I guess calling could work, but it seems like pushing the semibluff could work here.

And yeah, value-bet the river. A flush bets the river, he's probably got an A which could pay you off.

tjh 08-27-2005 03:17 AM

Re: Party 22, KK turns into flush draw, level 1
 
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Why not raise the flop? It may seem odd, but by raising flop, you can buy a free card on the turn with FE, and fold to more resistance.

Of course, raising does leave you with little behind, so I guess calling could work, but it seems like pushing the semibluff could work here.



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GREAT advice...

I bet flush draws in ring games all the time. I rarely raise with them but a raise might slow him down and be cheaper in the long run. Interesting tactic. I was to upset at the ace to think along advanced lines such as raising the flop.

Thanks

lastchance 08-27-2005 03:25 AM

Re: Party 22, KK turns into flush draw, level 1
 
Of course, it works a lot better when the pot's smaller.


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