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Poldi 11-16-2005 10:39 AM

10/20 puke
 
UTG is a real loose-passive, like 63/0/0.3
SB is 20/14/2.7

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (12 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

River: (21 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero folds..

Nietzsche 11-16-2005 11:31 AM

Re: 10/20 puke
 
What do you put UTG on? I don't see a hand with a 7 play the turn and river this way.

Poldi 11-16-2005 11:45 AM

Re: 10/20 puke
 
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What do you put UTG on? I don't see a hand with a 7 play the turn and river this way.

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Its pretty unlikely either of them has a 7 and they probably think the same with all the action. Considering the action I am sure I am beat on the river. The pot is HUGE but I have to call "at least" 2 to see a showdown and my hand really doesnt look good anymore.
I´m pretty sure one of them has a higher set, but the only ones possible are KK for SB and 99 for UTG with a really loose flop action (but I think he might be capable of it).
I dont see a hand that UTG plays this way that I beat, maybe 66 but then there is still SB.
Actually I dont think I am good more than 1% on the river.
0.3 AF is really passive and SB wasnt nuts either.

aba20 11-16-2005 02:53 PM

Re: 10/20 puke
 
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What do you put UTG on? I don't see a hand with a 7 play the turn and river this way.

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When a 63/0/.3 raises the river I will guarentee that they have the straight. This is so passive that they will call anything with almost no hand.

me454555 11-16-2005 02:59 PM

Re: 10/20 puke
 
I think you can put in one more bet on the turn. Sb likely has AK, KQ, AA and passive utg would cap the turn if he had the strait. I think your river play is fine given the raise by UTG

Nietzsche 11-16-2005 03:14 PM

Re: 10/20 puke
 
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I dont see a hand that UTG plays this way that I beat, maybe 66 but then there is still SB.


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I'm curious what he had because I can't see how the T helped him.

11-16-2005 03:19 PM

Re: 10/20 puke
 
flush draw with the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]?

Nietzsche 11-16-2005 03:57 PM

Re: 10/20 puke
 
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flush draw with the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]?

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Not impossible but I think with a postflop aggression factor of 0.3 he is too passive for that.

Grisgra 11-16-2005 04:22 PM

Re: 10/20 puke
 
The river fold against someone this passive . . . this isn't a strategy post, this is a bad beat post in disguise.

I'm curious as to why you didn't cap the turn. You don't think you're good at least 40% of the time?

Nietzsche 11-16-2005 04:29 PM

Re: 10/20 puke
 
Passives practically never overplay flops but curiously enough they don't always evaluate hand strength that well on the river and will sometimes be too aggressive with two pair despite being told it isn't enough. Probably not the case here, just a general observation.


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