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PrayingMantis 10-27-2005 11:46 AM

Why having a 1/45 BB stack is great
 
Because when you have 1/45 BB stack, espcially with no bubble considerations, you have the pot-odds to play any (yes any!) hand, and that is extremely profitable and very much +EV, and also does not require any kind of ability. You just play any hand and it's +EV, which is wonderful. I call it the "magical pink zone", too bad Harrington forgot to mention it in his book.

For instance: suppose you have 82o with a 18 BB stack in MP. In most common situations you'll fold it, since playing might very well be -EV. HOWEVER, when you're in the "magical pink zone" you can happily play 82o there and it will definitely be +EV. How wonderful is that?

Melchiades 10-27-2005 11:49 AM

Re: Why having a 1/45 BB stack is great
 
nh

Larimani 10-27-2005 01:14 PM

Re: Why having a 1/45 BB stack is great
 
lol. y. nh.

Black Aces 518 10-27-2005 01:20 PM

Re: Why having a 1/45 BB stack is great
 
Exactly. I played a live MTT last weekend and I got knocked down to 200 chips when the blinds were 300/600 with a 75 ante. Before it got to me, there was a raise to 2400 and a reraise to 9600. I CALLED WITH Q7o! Both those other donks had AK and the flop came Q47. Check it out, I quintupled up and I would have had to pass that up if I had a bigger stack.

FishInAPhoneBooth 10-27-2005 03:03 PM

Re: Why having a 1/45 BB stack is great
 
I always respect what you post about poker, but I lost a lot of respect for you as a person.

ZBTHorton 10-27-2005 03:05 PM

Re: Why having a 1/45 BB stack is great
 
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Because when you have 1/45 BB stack, espcially with no bubble considerations, you have the pot-odds to play any (yes any!) hand, and that is extremely profitable and very much +EV, and also does not require any kind of ability. You just play any hand and it's +EV, which is wonderful. I call it the "magical pink zone", too bad Harrington forgot to mention it in his book.

For instance: suppose you have 82o with a 18 BB stack in MP. In most common situations you'll fold it, since playing might very well be -EV. HOWEVER, when you're in the "magical pink zone" you can happily play 82o there and it will definitely be +EV. How wonderful is that?

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Post of the year.

PrayingMantis 10-27-2005 03:09 PM

Re: Why having a 1/45 BB stack is great
 
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I always respect what you post about poker, but I lost a lot of respect for you as a person.

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?

I'm not insulted or anything, very far from it, but only curious as to why anyone would lose respect for me "as a person", and what kind of respect for me "as a person" you had before reading this particular post (since you had no idea of me "as a person" to begin with), a post that was meant to point out in a non-standard and maybe funny way one of the great fallacies in the theories posted around here lately?

adanthar 10-27-2005 03:09 PM

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I always respect what you post about poker, but I lost a lot of respect for you as a person.

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This is a forum about winning at poker. Reading it, just by itself, has earned me many tens of thousands of dollars. If I want it to keep earning me money, I believe I have to keep the strategy discussion above RGP or pocketfives, and if that entails flaming bad posts until they stop, I am perfectly willing to do that.

Also, getting offended over a funny post on the Internet is dumb.

KneeCo 10-27-2005 03:12 PM

Re: Why having a 1/45 BB stack is great
 
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a post that successfully points out in a non-standard and really funny way one of the great fallacies in the theories posted around here lately

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FYP

rockythecat99 10-27-2005 03:15 PM

Re: Why having a 1/45 BB stack is great
 
lmao. Great post mantis

Pasterbator 10-27-2005 03:19 PM

Re: Why having a 1/45 BB stack is great
 
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I call it the "magical pink zone",

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I prefer to be in a different "magical pink zone" [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

ZBTHorton 10-27-2005 03:20 PM

Re: Why having a 1/45 BB stack is great
 
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I call it the "magical pink zone",

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I prefer to be in a different "magical pink zone" [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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nh

waarior 10-27-2005 03:54 PM

Re: Why having a 1/45 BB stack is great
 
I've always wanted to post because I have learned so much from these boards and it has been very profitable. I want to help others improve but I never really find the oppurtunity and threads such as these make me hesitate to post because as an unbiased lurker they are so informative.

From a lurker's perspective these threads (I followed Adanthar's reference to the Barron/El Diablo thread in the magazine forum) are the most enlightening.

The inability of posters to learn from debate is awesome. It seems some who come here who claim to be looking for informative debate are unable to comprehend that they could be wrong. All the while claiming that they are open minded.

Amazing.

Learnings is based upon the fact that you were wrong or that you didn't know. Otherwise there would be nothing to "learn."

Having no persona on these boards means I can look at these threads completely objectively. I have no stake in them. I'm not affiliated with anything.

And it is an incredibly comforting (and slightly disturbing for nonpoker reasons) thing to see the many thousand count posters on the most respected poker forum in the world who are incabable of learning from others. How can poker ever not be profitable?

FishInAPhoneBooth 10-27-2005 04:17 PM

Re: Why having a 1/45 BB stack is great
 
Someone had an idea, they were wrong. Maybe it was a bad idea. But I really see no reason to continuously poke fun at him.

FishInAPhoneBooth 10-27-2005 04:21 PM

Re: Why having a 1/45 BB stack is great
 
I am not offended just disappointed. If you really think flaming people is the way to improve the forum, more power to you keep at it. Reading this forum has also earned me a lot of money and I don't think reading flaming contributed anything.

Exitonly 10-27-2005 04:30 PM

Re: Why having a 1/45 BB stack is great
 
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I always respect what you post about poker, but I lost a lot of respect for you as a person.

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This is a forum about winning at poker. Reading it, just by itself, has earned me many tens of thousands of dollars. If I want it to keep earning me money, I believe I have to keep the strategy discussion above RGP or pocketfives, and if that entails flaming bad posts until they stop, I am perfectly willing to do that.

Also, getting offended over a funny post on the Internet is dumb.

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We don't need to make new posts to 'flame' them, this clogs the forum, and is counterproductive.

I think betgo/oaks idea is pretty bad, but it's not the right approach to just say "Lol this is bad" explain why it's bad, and they'll learn, and you'll (not you specifically) get better too by explaining.

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Anyways, tehres far too much "flaming" going on about this. I'm surprised mods havn't stepped in at all.

rockythecat99 10-27-2005 04:30 PM

Re: Why having a 1/45 BB stack is great
 
See the reason mantis made this post is that a lot of posters here have proved how this theory does not hold. Yet betgo and pf keep saying it does and they are getting to Barron Von territory in their stubborness. If they would just be like you know what I have learned from this and will incorporate it to my game then thta would be the end of these threads but they choose to go on even after they have been proven wrong. Holy run on sentence Batman.

Nicholasp27 10-27-2005 04:39 PM

Re: Why having a 1/45 BB stack is great
 
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I call it the "magical pink zone"

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Chef, where is the clitoris?

10-27-2005 04:45 PM

Re: Why having a 1/45 BB stack is great
 
Yesterday I was at zero chips. I knew that at that moment I was in the most +EV situation I could be in. I was able to triple my zero chip stack to zero. I like to call this "P'Zone"

Lloyd 10-27-2005 06:55 PM

Re: Why having a 1/45 BB stack is great
 
Okay, we need to get past this topic.


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