Do I call this ridiculous bet?
PP $50 + $5, No reads unfortunately. Villian had not done anything noticeably stupid to this point.
I have a feeling you guys are going to flame me again. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) converter BB (t770) UTG (t2410) MP1 (t1200) MP2 (t1280) CO (t1450) Button (t1455) Hero (t1435) Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t1455 (All-In)</font> |
Re: Do I call this ridiculous bet?
no
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Re: Do I call this ridiculous bet?
I would want to call just to see what kind of hand he has. But I wouldn't.
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Re: Do I call this ridiculous bet?
No. AK or JJ scared to play OR AA or KK hoping for someone who thinks they are crazy. Or maybe he's crazy and shows you 27.
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Re: Do I call this ridiculous bet?
I hate calling off my stack with AK, I fold here.
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Re: Do I call this ridiculous bet?
On occasion, even decent players who think they never get action with premium hands will push a monster on the theory that that they might as well try to bust somebody rather than try to win a few BB's. The fact that you are considering calling shows that this tactic has some merit.
I fold here. If he's pushing AQo or some crap, then he's welcome to my blind. GG |
Re: Do I call this ridiculous bet?
Say the button does this with any two cards. He's betting 1450 to win 50. Say you only call with AA-JJ. When he's called he wins the 2900 pot 11% of the time; when he isn't he wins 50. You'll get AA-JJ (1/17)*(4/13) or about 2% of the time. So the EV of this play for him is .98(50) - 1450 (.02)(.89 - .11) or approximately +23 chips.
Obviously, the fact that folding AK is exploitable by a strategy against which you should call with AK does not, in itself, prove anything. But my instinct is that, absent reads, folding to a 29BB all-in raise is slightly too tight. Of course you might have a general read that says you should fold, or tournament considerations might swing this to a fold, or, most likely, he might be (soundly) pushing with far fewer hands. I think the decision is close, and didn't want all the replies to this thread to be dismissive noes. I should really get an actual knowledge of game theory someday... --Nate |
Re: Do I call this ridiculous bet?
This is the easiest fold of folds. You'd need a 55% over his range of hands to even think about calling here, and given the weirdness of his play, it's certainly not screaming Ax or Kx.
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Re: Do I call this ridiculous bet?
Easy fold.
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Re: Do I call this ridiculous bet?
Nope.
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RESULTS
I folded.
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Re: Do I call this ridiculous bet?
I fold here.
I'm not calling off my entire stack here with AKo at level 3 of a tournament preflop absent some read that says that Button is a complete LAG and will push any two here. I would make a note about Button pushing all-in at level 3 with a 29x BB preflop raise. This screams of poor play to me. |
Re: Do I call this ridiculous bet?
JCM, I'm sure ICM will say this is a call. I'm absolutely positive villain does not have AA or KK. So his hand range is likely A8+, 22+ (sans AA/KK).
PokerStove: Hand 1: 62.8355 % 59.20% 03.63% { AKo } Hand 2: 37.1645 % 33.53% 03.63% { QQ-22, A2s+, A2o+ } I call this a lot. But, with your stacksize, and villain's stacksize, I'd probably hem and haw for a while, and flip a coin. Scuba PS - sans is French for without. |
Re: Do I call this ridiculous bet?
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On occasion, even decent players who think they never get action with premium hands will push a monster on the theory that that they might as well try to bust somebody rather than try to win a few BB's. The fact that you are considering calling shows that this tactic has some merit. [/ QUOTE ] Although I agree with this statement, without more info, and just by going by the stacksizes, I don't think this is the case here. Scuba |
Re: Do I call this ridiculous bet?
I'd fold and congratulate him when he shows AA.
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Re: Do I call this ridiculous bet?
Hey, thanks for the thoughtful reply. I actually think the question is a rather close one. Do you have good reasons for folding?
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