Boring 10/20 Ac flush but what\'s your default river line?
 

In THIS (10/20 aggressive) game against a very aggressive player what is your standard river line here? Seriously I feel like an idiot asking this question but I know the 10/20 plays way different especially sh'd. I have found that 10/20 4-handed or less is just plain wacko. I'm adjusting ok I think though and learning a LOT. Anyway...

Check and hope he bets/bluffs then raise?
Bet weak and hope he raises/calls with weak holding?
Bet big and feign a bluff?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 4 handed) converter

Hero ($2513)
BB ($2715)
UTG ($2348)
Button ($1240)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $10.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $65</font>, BB calls $55.

Flop: ($150) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $100</font>, BB calls $100.

Turn: ($350) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $300</font>, BB calls $300.

River: ($950) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Hero?

Re: Boring 10/20 Ac flush but what\'s your default river line?
 

i vote 'check'

Re: Boring 10/20 Ac flush but what\'s your default river line?
 

I vote bet 2/3 pot or more

Re: Boring 10/20 Ac flush but what\'s your default river line?
 

i vote bet 400 and pray for a raise.

then do some hollywooding.

Re: Boring 10/20 Ac flush but what\'s your default river line?
 

i think 600 is good if you believe that he would think you would bet w/o Ac or Kc here. look at stack sizes, he pushes as a bluff, or w/the Kc, you have to call 1500 into a 3000 pot on a 4-flush board. seems like it could give him some believable FE there

or perhaps 500 is better?

Re: Boring 10/20 Ac flush but what\'s your default river line?
 

i dont see many people bluffing a river blocking bet here...

I like 600 as well

Re: Boring 10/20 Ac flush but what\'s your default river line?
 

that should be 3500 pot, not 3000, dunno why the edit didnt catch it

Re: Boring 10/20 Ac flush but what\'s your default river line?
 

I probaly bet 2/3, its a good bet as it can look like a bluff as well. There are a few players I would probably check to, or bet like 250-300 hoping to be raised like BLDwtERs (not sure I got the name right, but you know who I'm talking about). Normally I think you are losing value by checking as most people wont value only with the top 2 flushes and checkbehind anything with showdown value. He must have something to show down as he called both the first 2 streats so I think if there is anyhope of inducing a bluff it is by making a week looking bet, not checking.

Re: Boring 10/20 Ac flush but what\'s your default river line?
 

Having played in a ton of these short handed games over the summer I think betting about the size of the pot is best. I can't tell you how many times I've potted the river on 4 flush boards either with the nuts or nothing at all and its amazing how many times I get called with just a mid club. So if it was me I would bet 950 or 1000, but this is assuming that your aggressiveness is at or above the norm for the table. If you don't bet I would rather check and try to induce a bluff.

Re: Boring 10/20 Ac flush but what\'s your default river line?
 

Hero bets 450-1000 range, with focus at 600-800. Most likelly paid off by crappier flush (Kc), 2 pair, or set. Very agr. player even AK no club is possible. Straight chasing after the turn bet seems remote