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12-03-2005 09:14 PM

Cowboys on the button
 
Game is .5/1 $100 Max.

SB Villian (81.00)
BB (146.00)
UTG (75.00)
EP1 (123.50)
Btn Hero (108.75)

Early in the game with no reads on the villian. Hero has been playing very tight and is known on the table as a tight player.

Hero is dealt K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the button.

UTG limps, EP 1 limps, Hero raises to $7.00, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, EP1 folds.

Flop comes: 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

SB bets out $6.00, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero raises to $30.00, SB goes all in for $38.00 more, UTG folds.

Hero?

EMcWilliams 12-03-2005 09:28 PM

Re: Cowboys on the button
 
I put villians range (perhaps a little loose) as follows:

TT, AQs, ATs, KQs, KTs, QJs-QTs, JTs, AQo, ATo, KQo, KTo, QJo-QTo, JTo

and with the magic of pokerstove, we get
Board: Qc Qd Tc
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 49.7689 % [ 00.50 00.00 ] { KdKc }
Hand 2: 50.2311 % [ 00.50 00.00 ] { TT, AQs, ATs, KQs, KTs, QJs-QTs, JTs, AQo, ATo, KQo, KTo, QJo-QTo, JTo }

And since you are getting roughly 2.5-1 on this, I feel like you need to call.

yvesaint 12-03-2005 09:31 PM

Re: Cowboys on the button
 
you think SB is doing this with a hand like JT? i mean, ive seen bad, but with no reads i dont think thats really possible

EMcWilliams 12-03-2005 09:38 PM

Re: Cowboys on the button
 
Granted it was a loose range, I mentioned it. So with a little tighter of a range we get....

28,710 games 0.005 secs 5,742,000 games/sec

Board: Qc Qd Tc
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 11.9819 % [ 00.12 00.00 ] { KdKc }
Hand 2: 88.0181 % [ 00.88 00.00 ] { TT, AQs, KQs, QJs-QTs, AQo, KQo, QJo-QTo }

which might be a fold. This is a read dependant case, and no matter what the villian is holding you arent drawing dead. Given the odds I probably call here, unless villian is a total rock.

12-03-2005 09:40 PM

Re: Cowboys on the button
 
This second range seems more reasonable against an unknown. Maybe throw in some JTs hands its more like 80-20 -- seems like he has to fold this without a read

Morrek 12-03-2005 09:58 PM

Re: Cowboys on the button
 
Small lead then 3bet push = strong. Easy fold to me...
I might just call this flop for pot control although I think it's a little too drawy for that

FlyingStart 12-03-2005 11:10 PM

Re: Cowboys on the button
 
I just hate when a face that kind of bet. He's begging you to raise.. The only thing you beat here is some kind of flushdraw. You have only 7$ invested here.. If SB dares to bet into this field in a raised pot with three player yet to act I might just muck this on the flop.. A read would definitely help.

It totally sucks to muck tho.. I think I call and see if he leads again, If he does I muck. If he checks I check behind and call small river bet.

Hattifnatt 12-03-2005 11:14 PM

Re: Cowboys on the button
 
I just call the $6. As played I think you must call his 3-bet given the pot odds.

orange 12-03-2005 11:27 PM

Re: Cowboys on the button
 
Can you explain your flop raise?

12-04-2005 10:28 AM

Re: Cowboys on the button
 
I appreciate all the discussion. I have learned a lot from this hand. I think my flop raise was too much, perhaps a call would have been better, though I felt I needed to raise or fold. . . I just think I raised too much. At any rate, in case you all wanted some resolve. I called the bet, villian showed A-10o and I won the pot.

Thanks for all the input, it was very educational.


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