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GutPunch 12-12-2005 08:02 PM

Possible to lay QQ down PF??
 
Hand converter does not work.

Typical party table, nothing out of the ordinary.

***** Hand History for Game 3190145644 *****
TourneyTexasHTGameTable $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:18223484 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Monday, December 12, 18:46:24 EDT 2005
Table Table 68255 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 4: phase_303 ( $510 )
Seat 8: mweave ( $575 )
Seat 9: Roxie188 ( $760 )
Seat 10: HERO ( $1440 )
Seat 6: MisterJed ( $810 )
Seat 5: thebotzz ( $1175 )
Seat 2: bigworm714 ( $425 )
Seat 3: aziz99 ( $985 )
Seat 7: SmackYourAce ( $1320 )
Trny:18223484 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Qd Qc ]
aziz99 folds.
phase_303 folds.
thebotzz folds.
MisterJed raises [100].
SmackYourAce raises [170].
mweave folds.
>You have options at Table 67915 Table!.
Roxie188 calls [170].
HERO ???

tewall 12-12-2005 08:05 PM

Re: Possible to lay QQ down PF??
 
Push! Why would you think of laying down QQ? That's the third best possible hand, and the range of hands of your opponents is enormous.

GutPunch 12-12-2005 08:20 PM

Re: Possible to lay QQ down PF??
 
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Why would you think of laying down QQ?

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blinds are 15/30 heavy action to me and I currently have the biggest stack at the table

too weak to even consider?

11t 12-12-2005 08:22 PM

Re: Possible to lay QQ down PF??
 
It is very possible to fold QQ preflop, I have done it many times to great success. However a solid % of the time, I don't have any stats or anything, I bust out when dealt against a higher pair. Of course it is much easier to fold QQ with 50+bb than it is with with 15.

I would suggest you take into account how the re-raiser got his big stack. If he got it by being a donk, than push. If he got it by playing solid or you have previous experience with him you a case might be made for folding.

Of course it is much easier to fold QQ when several people are into the pot all in in front of you. I probably push here since there is a lot of dead money in the pot. I just hate when the re-raiser calls and flips over AA/KK and I'm not very pleased when he calls with AKs or otherwise.

sahala 12-12-2005 09:02 PM

Re: Possible to lay QQ down PF??
 
Is it horrible to just call here and see a flop with position? You can look for a set on the flop. If it doesn't hit, play the situation and texture of the flop.

I think with a raiser and two callers the original raiser would be hesitant to simply push.

sahala 12-12-2005 09:04 PM

Re: Possible to lay QQ down PF??
 
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the range of hands of your opponents is enormous.

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Did you see the HH? It's A) raise B) re-raise C) call. What does this say about each player's hands relative to each other?

I think there's reason for caution here, plus it's early in the tournament.

GutPunch 12-12-2005 09:13 PM

Re: Possible to lay QQ down PF??
 
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Is it horrible to just call here and see a flop with position?

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I like this play if you are the one closing the action. However with one player left to act behind me I don't like it

MisterJed 12-12-2005 11:41 PM

Re: Possible to lay QQ down PF??
 
I was pushing if you didn't push, and I had QQ too. I very begrudgingly folded, and I'm still not sure if that was the best play.

Edit: But yeah, in your position I'm pushing.

tjh 12-13-2005 01:08 AM

Re: Possible to lay QQ down PF??
 
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the range of hands of your opponents is enormous.

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Did you see the HH? It's A) raise B) re-raise C) call. What does this say about each player's hands relative to each other?

I think there's reason for caution here, plus it's early in the tournament.

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Take a look at your pokertracker DB, level one all-ins are surprisingly weak. They are a bit foolish early on. No time invested. I think your hourly rate will benefit by pushing here.

I discuss some all-in data from Pokertracker level one 20's HERE

12-13-2005 01:12 AM

Re: Possible to lay QQ down PF??
 
Without reading the post, yes it is possible to lay down
QQ preflop in a SNG.

Edit: though I can't recall doing so although I'm sure I have.


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