Am I taking my limit \"way ahead, way behind\" theory too far?
 

I used to be a hardcore limit player but recently switched over. In limit, when we're probably way ahead or way behind, we're supposed to play like a calling station and just call. Raising does us no good because it lets them escape cheaply while folding might make us fold the best hand. In no limit, taking this theory too far can be expensive. What do you think about these two hands?

Both hands are from 5/10 NL on Full Tilt.

Hand 1:
Stack sizes: Hero has $1200 but villian covers
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
UTG folds
HERO raises to $30
BUTTON folds
SB folds
BB calls $20
*** FLOP *** [8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
Villian bets $65
Hero calls $65
*** TURN *** [8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] [7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
Villian bets $195
Hero calls $195
*** RIVER *** [8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] [T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
Villian bets $585
Hero calls $585


HAND 2:

Stack sizes: Hero has a full buy-in but Villian covers.
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
UTG folds
HERO raises to $35
SB (Villian) calls $30
BB folds
*** FLOP *** [6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
SB bets $80
Hero calls $80
*** TURN *** [6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] [8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
Villian bets $240
Hero calls $240
*** RIVER *** [6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
Villian bets $720
Hero calls $685.50, and is all in


Comments: The villian in hand 1 seemed a little aggressive so I called him down. The villian in hand 2 seemed tight and rather passive so I figured he had a lower ace. I don't know anymore but I'm starting to think calling POT POT POT on the flop, turn and river with just a pair (with a great kicker) is a losing play EVwise. Maybe a turn mini-raise for a free showdown is cheaper and a better play? Maybe calling the turn and folding the river is a better play beause no reasonable villian fires 3 barrels, right?

What do you guys think?

Re: Am I taking my limit \"way ahead, way behind\" theory too far?
 

Fold turn in hand 1 because after the flop call he has to know you have something. Raise flop in hand 2, that's not way ahead/way behind at all, it's a draw heavy board.

Re: Am I taking my limit \"way ahead, way behind\" theory too far?
 

Here's the thing: when someone pots into you on the flop, and then pot bets again on the turn, you've got a decision to make:

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Decide, then push or fold.

Re: Am I taking my limit \"way ahead, way behind\" theory too far?
 

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Here's the thing: when someone pots into you on the flop, and then pot bets again on the turn, you've got a decision to make:

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/9...youpunk8mc.jpg


Decide, then push or fold.

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heres the thing, this is horrible advice.

Re: Am I taking my limit \"way ahead, way behind\" theory too far?
 

these both look like "way behind" situations to me... if u won either pot, i will be shocked... nasty river payoffs.

Re: Am I taking my limit \"way ahead, way behind\" theory too far?
 

You can't just become a calling station in WA/WB situations.. it's slightly more costly when you're wrong in NL.

Re: Am I taking my limit \"way ahead, way behind\" theory too far?
 

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these both look like "way behind" situations to me... if u won either pot, i will be shocked... nasty river payoffs.

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I agree that river is nasty, especially hand 1. Would you fold the turn in hand 1?

Re: Am I taking my limit \"way ahead, way behind\" theory too far?
 

yes, foldism.

Re: Am I taking my limit \"way ahead, way behind\" theory too far?
 

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Here's the thing: when someone pots into you on the flop, and then pot bets again on the turn, you've got a decision to make:

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/9...youpunk8mc.jpg


Decide, then push or fold.

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heres the thing, this is horrible advice.

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He's more of a social strategist, really.