Turn/river play with KK
 

$1/2, I open K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] UTG, guy who just sat down 3-bets OTB and I cap.

Flop A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

I bet, he calls.

Turn 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I check/call (?)

River 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I check/call (?)

I'm sure there's a better line for this one.

Re: Turn/river play with KK
 

bet/call, if he raises check/fold river
bet/fold river otherwise

Re: Turn/river play with KK
 

Yeah my line was bad and this isn't even that hard. Thanks, lol.

Re: Turn/river play with KK
 

There's no way I'm folding this hand. I'm just having trouble deciding between bet/calling or check/calling the turn.

He just sat down, so I think if you bet and he raises the turn, check/folding if you miss the spade on the river isn't very good. He could be raising with lots of non-A hands, looking for a free showdown or semi-bluffing with a hand like QxQs or JxJs. Even QJ with a spade might throw a bluff in there.

You beat way too man non-A hands to let this go on a semi-bluffable board.

I think I'd bet the turn. If raised, check/call. If just called, the river would be tough. Obviously bet a spade river, and I think bet a non-spade river. I might check/call if a Q or J falls, but that might not be right. I think if he has a hand like 99-77, he'll fold on a three paint board, and his other possible holdings if he didn't raise the turn are KK-JJ, AQ, AJ.

Re: Turn/river play with KK
 

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Yeah my line was bad and this isn't even that hard. Thanks, lol.

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I wouldn't take my word as being exactly right either yet. Let some others chime in. FWIW, no matter how many times hands like these happen they still churn my stomach. Maybe its not that hard but it is just a tough position to be in, that's probably why you posted it.

Re: Turn/river play with KK
 

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bet/call, if he raises check/fold river
bet/fold river otherwise

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uhhh, this is not good advice at all.

you seriously advocate B/Cing the turn, then C/Fing the river? if youre calling the turn raise you should be calling the river bet - nothing has changed, except the pot is now larger by 2BB.

Re: Turn/river play with KK
 

axioma,

I think he meant because of the nut flush draw. However, I still disagree with his advice.

Re: Turn/river play with KK
 

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if youre calling the turn raise you should be calling the river bet - nothing has changed, except the pot is now larger by 2BB.

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Also, Hero missed his nut flush draw.

Re: Turn/river play with KK
 

I think putting in three bets on the turn/river is too much. The majority of the time this turn raise means an ace, and although he *might* make this play with Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Qx, its doubtful whether he bets the river.

Re: Turn/river play with KK
 

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I think putting in three bets on the turn/river is too much. The majority of the time this turn raise means an ace, and although he *might* make this play with Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Qx, its doubtful whether he bets the river.

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Based on what? He just sat down and you have no reads. If he was a passive guy, OK. Against an unknown, I'm going to showdown with KK.