Swingers Clubs
 

Have any of you been to one of these before? Looks like they're now legal up here in Canada.


Supreme Court opens door for 'swingers' clubs

By RICHARD BLACKWELL

Wednesday, December 21, 2005 Posted at 11:56 AM EST

Globe and Mail Update

Two Montreal "swingers" clubs did not breach Canadian standards of decency when they allowed group sex to take place on their premises, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled this morning.

In its latest attempt to set guidelines that govern sexual morality in Canada, the top court said two swingers clubs in Montreal were not operating as illegal "bawdy houses," because what went on there did not cause any harm to society.

The decision could make it easier for other venues where group sex takes place among consenting adults to operate without the threat of police intervention.

The ruling dealt with two Quebec Court of Appeal decisions that came down on opposite sides of the issue. In one case, the Coeur à Corps club was acquitted by the appeals court, while in the other the L'Orage club lost an appeal of a conviction on similar charges.

The L'Orage clubs owner appealed his conviction to the Supreme Court, while the Crown appeal the acquittal of Coeur à Corps.

The criminal code defines a bawdy house as location that is kept for prostitution or indecent acts. At these clubs there was no direct payment for sexual acts, so there was no issue of prostitution. It was the definition of "indecent act" that became the pivotal issue in the cases.

The case law has generally defined an indecent act as something that is beyond standards of community tolerance, or is capable of causing harm by encouraging people to engage in anti-social conduct.

There is no evidence that "the sexual conduct at issue harmed individuals or society," Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin wrote in the majority decision, representing seven of the nine judges on the court.

At the clubs, "only those already disposed to this sort of sexual activity were allowed to participate and watch," she wrote.

Everyone going into the bars knew what to expect, she added, and at both clubs there was no evidence of anti-social acts or attitudes. "No one was pressured to have sex, paid for sex, or [was] treated as a mere sexual object for the gratification of others."

And just because the clubs were businesses, that didn't mean the activities that took place there commercial - in other words prostitution - the ruling said.

The only real danger to participants was that they might catch a sexually-transmitted disease, the decision said, but this wasn't a factor in their decision because it is "conceptually and causally unrelated to indecency."

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Don't most of these clubs only allow membership to couples? Good luck convincing the wife to join.

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My ex-girlfriends parents divorced over this. Her mother ended up leaving her father and marrying the dude from the swingers club. Crazy stuff.

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Swingers club's are one of those things that seem conceptually great, but in practice bad. I'm pretty open minded and flexible, but there's no way I'd be able to detangle the lifetime of associating sex=love such that I wouldn't end up emotionally screwed up.

And then the fact even if I could I'm hitting old and wrinkled and lord knows I don't have any desire to hit the old and wrinkled that'd be willing to hit me.

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Details, and please be as graphic as possible. Thank you.

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Don't most of these clubs only allow membership to couples? Good luck convincing the wife to join.

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Yeah, most of them are pretty lame and filled with old people. You have to be in the know to get into the really good parties.

Not... that I would know....

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Don't most of these clubs only allow membership to couples? Good luck convincing the wife to join.

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Yeah, most of them are pretty lame and filled with old people. You have to be in the know to get into the really good parties.

Not... that I would know....

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I had a friend who went to a few of the sex clubs in nyc, and she said they were filled with 40 or 50-something bridge & tunnelers

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Don't most of these clubs only allow membership to couples? Good luck convincing the wife to join.

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Yeah, most of them are pretty lame and filled with old people. You have to be in the know to get into the really good parties.

Not... that I would know....

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I had a friend who went to a few of the sex clubs in nyc, and she said they were filled with 40 or 50-something bridge & tunnelers

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Use your imaginations for good(young and hot) and not evil(old and un-hot).

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My ex-girlfriends parents divorced over this. Her mother ended up leaving her father and marrying the dude from the swingers club. Crazy stuff.

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Sorry, buddy. It wasn't something I ever really brought up at the dinner table. It was really hard on my ex and her father. I just know it happened and a little of the background. No sex details. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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there's a lot of porn of these places. it seems like it would be fun at the time but could seriously screw you up emotionally/sexually, like someone else said.