Deep Stacks, Top Two, and Dry Sidepot
 

BB, for those who don't know him, is 30/15 and very aggressive.

Table 'Pythia' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: TillerMaN ($2186 in chips)
Seat 2: G6Dragon ($1970 in chips)
Seat 3: cardknut ($988 in chips)
Seat 4: twin-caracas ($8696.50 in chips)
Seat 5: captZEEbo ($2000 in chips)
Seat 6: doulas12 ($2544 in chips)
Seat 7: Shifty1768 ($6045 in chips)
Seat 8: kkellyQQ ($1920 in chips)
Seat 9: Vick Is God ($5731 in chips)
cardknut: posts small blind $10
twin-caracas: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Vick Is God [9d 6d]
captZEEbo: folds
doulas12: folds
Shifty1768: folds
kkellyQQ: folds
Vick Is God: raises $60 to $80
TillerMaN: folds
G6Dragon: folds
cardknut: raises $60 to $140
twin-caracas: calls $120
Vick Is God: calls $60
*** FLOP *** [6h 9h 8c]
cardknut: bets $200
twin-caracas: calls $200
Vick Is God: raises $1080 to $1280
cardknut: calls $648 and is all-in
twin-caracas: calls $1080
*** TURN *** [6h 9h 8c] [9s]
twin-caracas: checks
Vick Is God: bets $1020
twin-caracas: calls $1020
*** RIVER *** [6h 9h 8c 9s] [Jd]
twin-caracas: checks
Hero...?
Comments on all streets appreciated

Re: Deep Stacks, Top Two, and Dry Sidepot
 

You mean top and bottom?

It looks like twin flopped the straight or is on a monster draw.

I don't think he has 98 or 9J, or JJ. 98 is possible but I think he'd reraise ya on the flop. 9J maybe, but I think he might lead into the river or perhaps the turn. I can't see him checking that hand twice to you on late streets.

JJ def no cuz I don't think he would play it that dangerously.

Either he missed and has nothing or you have him crushed.

I'd value bet the river. Say 1200-1500. Don't think he can raise that bet anyways w/o nuts in that spot.

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if I bet this river, its not with the intention of folding.

do we agree on this FF?

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um, not sure i get the question. are you thinking about checking behind?

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and what's up with that turn bet?

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if I bet this river, its not with the intention of folding.

do we agree on this FF?

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If I get c/raised, the price would obviously be amazing. But can you see a c/raise bluff here? What worse hand can you see calling this flop, c/calling, then making a c/raise on river when I'm obviously pot-stuck?

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i cant wait to get it in here. I think the chance of him having 88 or a straight is very very high.

I like a slightly larger bet on the turn (1600 or so), letting us get the rest in on the river more naturally. You're pretty deep here but I dont think quite deep enough to get away if he check-raises.

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my thoughts exactly.

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I don't really care what happened here this time.

The chances of you being behind here in general, are so RIDICULOUSLY SLIM.

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if I bet this river, its not with the intention of folding.

do we agree on this FF?

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If I get c/raised, the price would obviously be amazing. But can you see a c/raise bluff here? What worse hand can you see calling this flop, c/calling, then making a c/raise on river when I'm obviously pot-stuck?

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so if you chose to bet 1500, you would fold for last 1800 when the pot is over 10k? against twin?? with an over house???

thats awful.

id either bet 1800 or stick it in, prob doesnt matter much. id tend to shove it in against him, let him talk himself into a call with a 10k pot staring at him.

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if I bet this river, its not with the intention of folding.

do we agree on this FF?

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If I get c/raised, the price would obviously be amazing. But can you see a c/raise bluff here? What worse hand can you see calling this flop, c/calling, then making a c/raise on river when I'm obviously pot-stuck?

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so if you chose to bet 1500, you would fold for last 1800 when the pot is over 10k? against twin?? with an over house???

thats awful.

id either bet 1800 or stick it in, prob doesnt matter much. id tend to shove it in against him, let him talk himself into a call with a 10k pot staring at him.

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If I chose to bet, I obviously wouldn't fold.

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If you are thinking of checking behind here, then YSSCKY.

Seriously. I have re-read the OP three times because I had the feeling I must be missing something. It's official. I'm not.

Re: Deep Stacks, Top Two, and Dry Sidepot
 

FF,

There is $5868 in the pot. Your opponent has checked. You have a full house. You have $3291 left.

What am I missing?

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If you are thinking of checking behind here, then YSSCKY.


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Yikes.

Re: Deep Stacks, Top Two, and Dry Sidepot
 

is your turn bet actually like $260 smaller than your flop total bet? to me that looks too fishy if I'm the villian I don't think you go crazy with A9 on a flop with an obvious straight and sets very likely.

b)If you went crazy with a 9 (again unlikely) you hit your dream card but now only bet ~1000 and about 250 less than the flop, when there is a gazzilion flush and straight draws.. It seems rather transparent that you've got a full house by now.

I don't play on stars so I don't know him but my default is all in here, even if you've transparently played it as a full house.

I mean I don't see a value bet here with your stack and the pot size (being more profitable in the long run vs. the less times you get called by an all in).

I guess if you think he hit top pair J you can sell it for a minimal price

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Muck. Don't even bother showing down, its obvious he has 98 and you don't want to give yourself a loose image. Or push all-in expecting to loose, and chalk it up to your advertising budget.

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Muck. Don't even bother showing down, its obvious he has 98

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Hilarious. PM me for HU play please.

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FF,

There is $5868 in the pot. Your opponent has checked. You have a full house. You have $3291 left.

What am I missing?

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I guess nothing. I checked figuring that with the dry sidepot I just wouldn't get paid off by any hand I could see villain checking on the river. I figured he'd bet 88 or 89 and that it was obvious I had a boat, so I'd check. Obviously, in hindsight that's retarded and I just wanted to open myself to public excoriation to teach myself for next time. I truly f*cked this hand up, IMO.
Oh, and he had 57 for sucker straight. Not sure if he calls a push, but obviously it would've been worth a try.

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I just wanted to open myself to public excoriation to teach myself for next time.

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i should do this more

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FF,

There is $5868 in the pot. Your opponent has checked. You have a full house. You have $3291 left.

What am I missing?

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I guess nothing. I checked figuring that with the dry sidepot I just wouldn't get paid off by any hand I could see villain checking on the river. I figured he'd bet 88 or 89 and that it was obvious I had a boat, so I'd check. Obviously, in hindsight that's retarded and I just wanted to open myself to public excoriation to teach myself for next time. I truly f*cked this hand up, IMO.
Oh, and he had 57 for sucker straight. Not sure if he calls a push, but obviously it would've been worth a try.

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dude, im speechless.

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FF,

There is $5868 in the pot. Your opponent has checked. You have a full house. You have $3291 left.

What am I missing?

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I guess nothing. I checked figuring that with the dry sidepot I just wouldn't get paid off by any hand I could see villain checking on the river. I figured he'd bet 88 or 89 and that it was obvious I had a boat, so I'd check. Obviously, in hindsight that's retarded and I just wanted to open myself to public excoriation to teach myself for next time. I truly f*cked this hand up, IMO.
Oh, and he had 57 for sucker straight. Not sure if he calls a push, but obviously it would've been worth a try.

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dude, im speechless.

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wow I agree, I think this is the worst play I've been relayed in sometime.

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FF,

There is $5868 in the pot. Your opponent has checked. You have a full house. You have $3291 left.

What am I missing?

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I guess nothing. I checked figuring that with the dry sidepot I just wouldn't get paid off by any hand I could see villain checking on the river. I figured he'd bet 88 or 89 and that it was obvious I had a boat, so I'd check. Obviously, in hindsight that's retarded and I just wanted to open myself to public excoriation to teach myself for next time. I truly f*cked this hand up, IMO.
Oh, and he had 57 for sucker straight. Not sure if he calls a push, but obviously it would've been worth a try.

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dude, im speechless.

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wow I agree, I think this is the worst play I've been relayed in sometime.

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I don't think it's as bad as the A2 all-in call w/bottom pair that chuddo posted a while back, but yeah-pretty awful play

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If you are thinking of checking behind here, then YSSCKY.

Seriously. I have re-read the OP three times because I had the feeling I must be missing something. It's official. I'm not.

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you are... your missing the interesting part... evidently OP forgot to add this [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

FF: easy push man cmon, vry easy.

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Oh, and he had 57 for sucker straight. Not sure if he calls a push, but obviously it would've been worth a try.

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he doesnt unless he views you as awful, dont worry. Still an AWFUL check tho, however i do think he could have JJ/98 here on the river... its just a very small part of his hand range.

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Oh, and he had 57 for sucker straight. Not sure if he calls a push, but obviously it would've been worth a try.

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he doesnt unless he views you as awful, dont worry. Still an AWFUL check tho, however i do think he could have JJ/98 here on the river... its just a very small part of his hand range.

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He doesn't view me as awful. Although he might now that I checked that river...

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Oh, and he had 57 for sucker straight. Not sure if he calls a push, but obviously it would've been worth a try.

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he doesnt unless he views you as awful, dont worry. Still an AWFUL check tho, however i do think he could have JJ/98 here on the river... its just a very small part of his hand range.

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He doesn't view me as awful. Although he might now that I checked that river...

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start bluffing him now. get to it!

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He doesn't view me as awful. Although he might now that I checked that river...

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Re: Deep Stacks, Top Two, and Dry Sidepot
 

twincardouches flop play is almost as bad as your river play.

I think you realize how silly your check is, but still...

There are 9 total hands that beat you, and you check behind?

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nh lapoker.

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start bluffing him now. get to it!

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would the fact that hero didn't bet 96 here not increase the likelihood that he is bluffing when he bets in these spots because it'll likely be nuts or nothing.