1/2 NL, 50BB buyin strategies - TPTK
 

So,

I previously had a post about a trip coming up to atlantic city where I plan on playing 1/2NL with about $80-$100 to start.

We covered most of the preflop strategy, but I'm curious about general post-flop strategy.

Am I letting go of TPTK in any decent sized pot?
Am I letting go of overpairs anywhere?

Examples:

Hand1:

Hero dealt QhQc, raises preflop to $10
gets 2 callers

Flop comes Ts 8s 3d

Hero makes PSB
Villain raises a good amount (2-3bet)
Other player folds.

Hero ???


Hand 2:

Hero is dealt AQ,

Flop comes Q T 2
Hero bets,
Villain raises,
Hero ???

Basically, I want to know how to deal with TPTK or overpair situations in these types of games in the following situations:

(1) in position after a pot sized bet w/ light draw board
(2) in position after a pot sized bet w/ draw heavy board
(3) OOP w/ light draw board
(4) OOP w/ heavy draw board

Thanks

Re: 1/2 NL, 50BB buyin strategies - TPTK
 

In a live 1/2 game, a $5 raise will get called in 17 places. Players on the waiting list for 3/6 will run across the room to call your tiny preflop raise despite not having been dealt into the hand because $5 is just too cheap and they will take that price to play the board against you. Raises to $10 or $15 are more likely to be standard and sometimes those will even be called multiple times. In a live 1/2 game with a 50BB stack, I will only fold top pair or better if somebody turns their cards over and they beat me.

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In a live 1/2 game, a $5 raise will get called in 17 places. Players on the waiting list for 3/6 will run across the room to call your tiny preflop raise despite not having been dealt into the hand because $5 is just too cheap and they will take that price to play the board against you. Raises to $10 or $15 are more likely to be standard and sometimes those will even be called multiple times. In a live 1/2 game with a 50BB stack, I will only fold top pair or better if somebody turns their cards over and they beat me.

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I already fixed my typo... should have been a $10 raise ( was thinking about my .50/1 game at home)

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In a live 1/2 game, a $5 raise will get called in 17 places. Players on the waiting list for 3/6 will run across the room to call your tiny preflop raise despite not having been dealt into the hand because $5 is just too cheap and they will take that price to play the board against you. Raises to $10 or $15 are more likely to be standard and sometimes those will even be called multiple times. In a live 1/2 game with a 50BB stack, I will only fold top pair or better if somebody turns their cards over and they beat me.

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So, you're not laying down TPTK to any big reraise?
What about against players you've read as fairly tight?
What about smaller pots?

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In a live 1/2 game, a $5 raise will get called in 17 places. Players on the waiting list for 3/6 will run across the room to call your tiny preflop raise despite not having been dealt into the hand because $5 is just too cheap and they will take that price to play the board against you.

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Damn that was funny. But a good thing for me to learn nonetheless, since all my casino play has been at the limit tables. But I will probably try to play on a NL table the next time I am in casino country, so its good to 5xBB is more of a standard PFR.

Re: 1/2 NL, 50BB buyin strategies - TPTK
 

Cool; I still stand by what I said. I think never folding TPTK or better in a live 1/2 game on a 50BB stack is +EV. I've seen people go to the felt with far worse.

If you are at a table with loose calling standards with respect to raises (this is not unlikely), you might want to widen your limp/reraising standards UTG and UTG+1. I've done it in the Foxwoods 1/2 $100 max game with great success. Example: I limp 33 UTG, UTG+1 makes it $10, 4 people call, I push for $100 (to win a $55 pot), a bunch of people fold, and I called by AQ where I'm a slight favorite with a huge overlay. People will fold out their middle pairs (which are crushing your small pairs or racing with your AK) but call with AK/AQ/KQ (I've even seen KJ call one of these) which you are killing with AK or a slight favorite against with a pair.

Re: 1/2 NL, 50BB buyin strategies - TPTK
 

any other thoughts on post-flop strategy for short-stacked play??

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Cool; I still stand by what I said. I think never folding TPTK or better in a live 1/2 game on a 50BB stack is +EV.

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I agree. Only possible exception is if the guy is a total rock or if top pair is a pair of 7's or something.

Re: 1/2 NL, 50BB buyin strategies - TPTK
 

For 50xBB stacks, people can pry my TPTK from my dead fingers. I rarely, if ever, fold hands 1 & 2 in a live game.

As stated before, PF rasises should be higher, as you will both get more callers than in a online game, and it makes playing TPTK easier. I usually raise 5-7x the BB.

Once you double through, look up some deep stack posts to get a better feel if you havent already had experience with one. deep stack theory in MHNL . This post has tons of the forums' best Mid-High NL players in it.

As for bottom questions, I fold these TPTK 10% of the time. The real fun starts when you are deeper and there are other bad deep stacks around you.

EDIT: I also had a fear playing big stack a little while back- since then, I gained some experience and asked fellow posters to give some thoughts about psychological shortcomings regarding deeper stacks. orange questions

Is 50BB really -that- short-stacked?
 

I've been thinking about this more and more, and it seems committing your full stack to TPTK seems a bit much...

An example:
1/2 blinds:

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gets 2 callers

Flop($30ish) comes T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero leads for about $25.
Villain1 folds
Villain2 either (a) calls (b) raises me all-in

At this point:
Hero has $65 left
There is 30+25+65 in the pot for 120 total
bet to hero is the final $65, so we're getting about 1:2 pot odds.

Can we really say that the hero is ahead more than 1 times out of 3?

Possible villain holdings (for a weak player) that might reraise all and called a raise preflop:
ahead of me:
- AA,KK,TT,99,55,T9
behind me:
- JJ, 88, 77, 66, 44, 33, 22
- AT, KT, QT(unlikely)

I'm not sure what else I can put these players on. Possible flush draws I'm ahead? Maybe Ax[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Kx[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ....

I can probably forget about 2-pairs

Is there really enough I'm ahead of here to call the all-in?

From the combinations above, there are about 42 possiblities I'm behind, and about 90 possibilities I'm ahead. Of course, I'm not including suited connectors and Ax suited hands and suited overcard-broadways that might decide to put me all in.

Are people loose enough to play 40 more combinations of these to be behind me?