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Searching For Equity: The TheRempel Story...

Re: Searching For Equity: The TheRempel Story...

What else can be said here besides: Who won? and with what?

Also, why not reraise all-in before the flop? Were either of you going to lay this pot down for an additional $40?

Re: Searching For Equity: The TheRempel Story...

He has AAxx 100% of the time. I am getting the correct odds to call preflop, so I can call here. You can't think of any reasons I would want to see the flop before I put my last $40 in?

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He has AAxx 100% of the time. I am getting the correct odds to call preflop, so I can call here. You can't think of any reasons I would want to see the flop before I put my last $40 in?

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I'm not convinced you have odds to call preflop. I think it's EV= to slightly EV+.

But if you thought you had odds then what is the decision you are having trouble with on this hand?

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Re: Searching For Equity: The TheRempel Story...

What flop do you think hes going to fold AAxx with that much in the pot and 39$ to see it?

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Maybe he's thinking about flops that HE would fold to. Like 3 diamonds or 3 clubs with an Ace on the board.

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I wouldn't reraise all in before the flop. At least you can safely fold and save yourself $40 if one of the two case aces flops.

I think I am reiterating the post above, although the first time I read it before posting myself the wording wasn't clear to me.

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He has AAxx 100% of the time. I am getting the correct odds to call preflop, so I can call here. You can't think of any reasons I would want to see the flop before I put my last $40 in?

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So, you know 2 of his hole cards, and none of the suits. About the only flop I would consider folding to is A-small-small with none of my suits. Given that this flop would come down very, very infrequently and I know that my opponent will be putting in the rest of his stack no matter what, I would probably elect to get it all-in pre-flop to save myself the mental anguish I would have when the flop came down: A-Q-x-x or A-10-x-x or Ah-xh-x-x or As-xs-x-x and I would still have to call.

Re: Searching For Equity: The TheRempel Story...

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $1.00 BB (9 handed) converter

BB ($80.80)
UTG ($229.55)
Hero ($155.40)
MP1 ($82.25)
MP2 ($50)
MP3 ($168)
CO ($49.35)
Button ($95.50)
SB ($35.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, MP3 raises to $6.5, 4 folds, UTG calls $5.50, Hero calls $5.50, MP2 raises to $34, MP3 raises to $116.5, UTG folds, Hero calls $110, MP2 calls $16 (All-In).

Flop: ($291) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets $38.9 (All-In), MP3 calls $38.90.

Turn: ($368.80) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($368.80) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $368.80

Outcome: MP3 wins $368.80 with Ah Ac 5d 4 (two pair, Fives and Fours)
MP2 mucks As Kc 7h 7d. 

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1240829
pokenum -mc 500000 -o ts kh th ks - ah ac 5d 4c - as kc 7h 7d
Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ks Ts Kh Th 194036 38.81 305339 61.07 625 0.12 0.389
Ac 4c 5d Ah 247421 49.48 252579 50.52 0 0.00 0.495
As Kc 7d 7h 57918 11.58 441457 88.29 625 0.12 0.116

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1240833
pokenum -o ts kh th ks - ah ac 5d 4c - as kc 7h 7d -- 2d 4h 5s
Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing 5s 2d 4h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ks Ts Kh Th 138 20.72 528 79.28 0 0.00 0.207
Ac 4c 5d Ah 478 71.77 188 28.23 0 0.00 0.718
As Kc 7d 7h 50 7.51 616 92.49 0 0.00 0.075

With the dead money in the pot from the shortstack preflop, I most certainly slightly positive but basically neutral equity preflop, calling $110 to win $181.

Post flop, I'm not going to be folding often, but a push here is absolutely retarded if you know the other player has AAxx. The flops I'm going to be folding have an ace and no flush/broadway draw. That's it, but it occurs often enough that I can save myself $40 here and have something to show for it over the long run.

This flop, with two overpairs and two backdoor flush draws, was a no brainer push. He could have AA3x, but even if he does, I'm still 13% to win, making it a slightly +EV move.

Re: Searching For Equity: The TheRempel Story...

I posted the hand to generate discussion, not because I was having any sort of issue.