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baronzeus 12-26-2005 02:39 PM

Fun 44 hand
 
I have 44 in the SB 4 handed. online 50. Opponent's first hand, never played with him. Not sure what I think about my fold.

Folded to me and I raise, He 3bets, I call.


Flop Jc4c2d

I check, he bets, I raise, he calls.


Turn Qc

I bet, he raises, I 3bet, he calls


River 6c

I bet, he raises, I fold

12-26-2005 02:45 PM

Re: Fun 44 hand
 
Good fold-He is likely semi-bluffing turn with the Ace of Club especially considering he 3 bet preflop. I can't really imagine another hand that he would play this way. Good fold despite enormous odds. If an Ace of Clubs would've been river I would've called. Not sure about your river bet either, I'm in check calling mode there.

12-26-2005 03:38 PM

Re: Fun 44 hand
 
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Good fold-He is likely semi-bluffing turn with the Ace of Club especially considering he 3 bet preflop. I can't really imagine another hand that he would play this way. Good fold despite enormous odds. If an Ace of Clubs would've been river I would've called. Not sure about your river bet either, I'm in check calling mode there.

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I agree.

Especially the part about check/calling the river. There's a lot of bluff inducement with a board like this and a pot this size. Plus, you never get outplayed by an unknown.

Alex/Mugaaz 12-26-2005 10:35 PM

Re: Fun 44 hand
 
Why isn't calling the river here better? Let's say you're determined to invest 1bb here no matter what, what hands are calling a value bet? Is the ev of this call greater than the coup he could pull by bluff raising this, even if he only does this on a misclick?

12-26-2005 10:44 PM

Re: Fun 44 hand
 
I don't think there should be any debate that he'll call with worse hands. Any overpair, 2 pair, single pair, etc, will call my bet.

Alex/Mugaaz 12-26-2005 10:51 PM

Re: Fun 44 hand
 
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I don't think there should be any debate that he'll call with worse hands. Any overpair, 2 pair, single pair, etc, will call my bet.

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I didn't argue that at all. I said the EV you gain from the hands he calls with is probably less than what he'll gain by even accidently raising the river.

Kyle 12-27-2005 07:07 AM

Re: Fun 44 hand
 
I dont like the river bet either. Not with a set at least. With a hand like TPTK or perhaps even bottom two pair I would like bet fold much better.

Pot is big dont let him outplay you on the river. Check call. Yea you might give up a little value but you dont make the catastrophic mistake of folding the winner here.

12-27-2005 09:32 AM

Re: Fun 44 hand
 
You played this hand good. You must bet the river, too often your opponent is checking behind hands he would otherwise call down with.

stinkypete 12-27-2005 06:51 PM

Re: Fun 44 hand
 
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I dont like the river bet either. Not with a set at least. With a hand like TPTK or perhaps even bottom two pair I would like bet fold much better.

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why? is he really raising the river with a set or two pair? or do you think he's folding these hands?


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