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Steve 08-26-2005 06:13 PM

Party $33, first hand of tourney
 
Pokerstove says it was 51%/49% on the flop. Should I have bet at that flop? If so, what to do when raised? I hate flipping a coin on the first hand of a tourney.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

Hero (t800)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)
Button (t800)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls t15, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t60) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t65</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t130</font>, Button folds, Hero goes all in, MP1 calls.

Turn: (t1660) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t1660) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t1660

Steve 08-26-2005 06:14 PM

Re: Party $33, first hand of tourney
 
Oh BTW villian had KsQd

unreal_nh 08-26-2005 06:15 PM

Re: Party $33, first hand of tourney
 
then dont

08-26-2005 06:19 PM

Re: Party $33, first hand of tourney
 
No you should not have bet at the flop.

Steve 08-26-2005 06:24 PM

Re: Party $33, first hand of tourney
 
so just check and fold the flop? Villian will probably bet 60.

08-26-2005 06:36 PM

Re: Party $33, first hand of tourney
 
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so just check and fold the flop? Villian will probably bet 60.

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Yes, unless he offers better pot/implied odds.

lastchance 08-26-2005 06:48 PM

Re: Party $33, first hand of tourney
 
This is terrible advice, when you've got 10+ outs to a very good hand.

You need to find a way to either semi-bluff or see a river.

Betting and 3-betting could work here, but I think checking is the better line, going over the top if there's enough in the pot to take down, or calling and betting the turn to freeze people up, or another different line.

08-26-2005 06:53 PM

Re: Party $33, first hand of tourney
 
[ QUOTE ]
This is terrible advice, when you've got 10+ outs to a very good hand.

You need to find a way to either semi-bluff or see a river.

Betting and 3-betting could work here, but I think checking is the better line, going over the top if there's enough in the pot to take down, or calling and betting the turn to freeze people up, or another different line.

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Great line if you are playing with good players. Terrible line on a PP $33 unless you are interested in gambling the whole tourney on an early coin flip.

45suited 08-26-2005 06:55 PM

Re: Party $33, first hand of tourney
 
I could easily check / fold this flop early in a SNG. If you're playing a low level guy, you probably have very little FE if he has a K.

For this reason, I very much do not like the C/R all-in here. Keep the pot small, call a small bet, don't go crazy with this hand on the flop.

08-26-2005 07:00 PM

Re: Party $33, first hand of tourney
 
[ QUOTE ]
I could easily check / fold this flop early in a SNG. If you're playing a low level guy, you probably have very little FE if he has a K.

For this reason, I very much do not like the C/R all-in here. Keep the pot small, call a small bet, don't go crazy with this hand on the flop.

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My thoughts exactly.


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