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KC50 09-21-2005 11:52 AM

How often should you muck A2 pre flop?
 
In limit Om8 of course.

Give some examples please.

Thanks in advance,

KC50

Wintermute 09-21-2005 12:08 PM

Re: How often should you muck A2 pre flop?
 
I've never done it.

junkmail3 09-21-2005 12:22 PM

Re: How often should you muck A2 pre flop?
 
You're on the button:

raise, reriase, cap, all would be limpers have folded.

Do you call a cap cold with A2T7 rainbow?

sy_or_bust 09-21-2005 12:32 PM

Re: How often should you muck A2 pre flop?
 
Depends on the game, as always. Most of the scenarios involve facing a raise (from a tight and/or predictable raiser) when you A2 is weak (i.e. A279r).

hachkc 09-21-2005 01:25 PM

Re: How often should you muck A2 pre flop?
 
A naked A2 with nothing else I've done before in the face of large raises or multiple raisers preflop. An A2 with a 3 or 4 for protection, that would be a tougher one to laydown. Playing PL with only a shot for the low against a tight player that pots, A249r could be laydown depending on position and such.

With a bad A2 (A28Qr), Pot Limit with a Pot Raise, I'll fold if I expect to go to the flop Heads Up in bad position.

Does this make me too tight?

Wintermute 09-21-2005 01:46 PM

Re: How often should you muck A2 pre flop?
 
No it doesn't make you too tight. I fold A2 occasionally in PL. But the OP was about limit O8--perhaps in a strong lineup, folding A2 from time to time is correct, but in an average Party game I'd never do it.

DyessMan89 09-21-2005 02:13 PM

Re: How often should you muck A2 pre flop?
 
I have never mucked A2, and probobly never will.

FeliciaLee 09-21-2005 02:25 PM

Re: How often should you muck A2 pre flop?
 
In today's game, I think this would be a mistake. There are just so many limpers, so much dead money. Yes, sometimes I lose a little money on A2, but it more than makes up for it those times that I am not quartered or 1/6th, those times when they chased A3 or 23 all the way and I get 50% or more.

FWIW, I've never had to call four bets cold (or more) pre-flop with a bare A2 in limit. I've laid down a bare A2 in PLO8.

I've also laid down a bare A2 post-flop in O8, even when it is the nut low. Yes, there were either two or three other opponents with a bare A2, and the pot was small.

This would be a good question for Ray Zee. When he talked about rarely laying down a bare A2 pre-flop, the games were much tighter. In today's game of 80% seeing the flop, I think he would say it's a crime.

Felicia [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

BettyBoopAA 09-21-2005 03:29 PM

Re: How often should you muck A2 pre flop?
 
In low limit games, I don't lay down A2 before the flop. In 08 tourneys, I will lay down A2 before the flop when the game is tight and I have nothing with my A 2 (like A 2 7 9 and not suited) There are times when you have to invest a good portion of your stack on a good hand to play and a naked A 2 with nothing else is a hand I pass on.

MyTurn2Raise 09-21-2005 05:31 PM

Re: How often should you muck A2 pre flop?
 
[ QUOTE ]
In today's game of 80% seeing the flop, I think he would say it's a crime.

Felicia [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]


Whoa...what sites are you playing at? With 20k plus hands at each level on the party skins, I have the following saw flop table percentages:
3/6---- 40.24
2/4---- 43.49
1/2---- 47.18
.5/1--- 50

I try to play during peak fish time too (late night in the US)

not to hijack the thread too much, but it seems odd that the average low limit o8 game, except maybe .5/1, does not fit "Cappelletti's Rule" of 3 or more people besides the blinds seeing the flop. Do you have to play live to find such games? It seemed like the Wynn's 6/12 was looser than party 1/2...LOL.


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